***Official*** England in India

[Pratters]

Sehwag never had a 2 year run draught in his career. If he did then he should have been dropped. If he hits goes 3-4 series in a row averaging 30 odd then he should be dropped.

Yeah. But it is 15 vs 5 year career we are comparing. Forget that as you don't care regarding the same as for you current form is most vital.

You believe 3-4 series if a player averages 30 odd he should be dropped. Fair enough. I do not believe that. I believe if you feel a player will perform he should be retained, else not also analysing with other players at hand.

Cheers.

 

[Sanz]

When did I say no player should be dropped. I said quite the opposite. Any one can be dropped. Stop lying. Domestic cricket isn't the only criteria. Trescothic didn't havea great FC record. Players despite good FC record get ignored. More said Ganguly wont be chosen despite how much he scores in the tenure of this selection committee.

I guess you cant have a matured and civilized discussion. I guess I will follow Liam's path.

 

[Pratters]

I guess you cant have a matured and civilized discussion. I guess I will follow Liam's path.

Umm how was it not lying if you said quite the opposite of what I did and termedit as mine?

I guess I will follow Liam's path.

Thanks!!

 

[Anil]

What people have to realise is, Sachin doesn't have to be the Sachin pre-2002, where he was scoring runs at an unbelievable rate, to be worthy of a place in the side.

oh i realize that....

What he has to do is just do the best of his ability on a consistent basis, and if that is better than Laxman or Kaif (which I think it is) then he should be slotted in that team.

well...is he doing that right now according to you?

I'd say Sehwag and Dravid are comfortably the better test batsman than him right now (and probably both have been since 2003) but that doesn't mean Sachin doesn't deserve a place in the team. Not in my opinion anyway.

in your opinion, what would mean that tendulkar wouldn't warrant a place in the indian side anymore?

Plus, let's be realistic here, he's not going to be dropped whether people think he should or not. Its just how it is.

...and that is the crux of the issue....that will spoil his own magnificent legacy....

If people come to accept that Sachin won't be tonning up every 2 matches and averaging 60-65 a year anymore, but that he will still be a good enough player to warrant a place in the team and score the odd century here and there, the disappointment when he fails will be slightly less (its still always a sad thing to see ). I mean really, you can't keep up what he did throughout the 90s and up till 2002 all your career with so much cricket going around now-a-days. He's human too.

c'mon jono, this has gone on too long to have just the "human" aspect attached to it....this has the "decline" aspect written all over it....i would love to say that even a tendulkar on the decline would give most batsmen a run for their money but there has just been no significant output in non-minnow games recently other than that 35th century....india has been playing well because of contributions from dravid and a lot of young guns but as a member of the team, he needs to contribute to the team effort, right? i know that there was a time when he used to carry the team so it would seem right for the team to carry him when he is having a lean trot but it just doesn't feel right in his case somehow.....if he can infuse new life into his career, no one will be happier than i, just doesn't seem very likely right now.....

 

[silentstriker]

in your opinion, what would mean that tendulkar wouldn't warrant a place in the indian side anymore?

When he says: "I am retiring" and not a moment sooner.

 

[Anil]

When he says: "I am retiring" and not a moment sooner.

why?

 

[silentstriker]

why?

Because he is Sachin Tendulkar. He gets special treatment. Unfair? Probably.

But thats the way it is.

 

[steds]

Because he is Sachin Tendulkar.

He could be Moses, but if he doesn't score runs he doesn't deserve a place in the 11.


Ahhh. You've editted. Tricksy is this one.

 

[sirjeremy11]

Fans maybe 4th on the list.
Any good athlete plays for their team and teammates 1st, themselves second, national pride 3rd and the fans maybe 4th and only 4th because any cannot think of anything else to but above them.
.

Most of them would probably start the list with "the money".

 

[Jono]

c'mon jono, this has gone on too long to have just the "human" aspect attached to it....this has the "decline" aspect written all over it....i would love to say that even a tendulkar on the decline would give most batsmen a run for their money but there has just been no significant output in non-minnow games recently other than that 35th century....india has been playing well because of contributions from dravid and a lot of young guns but as a member of the team, he needs to contribute to the team effort, right? i know that there was a time when he used to carry the team so it would seem right for the team to carry him when he is having a lean trot but it just doesn't feel right in his case somehow.....if he can infuse new life into his career, no one will be happier than i, just doesn't seem very likely right now.....

I think I made it pretty clear in my post that it was decline. That's my point, he's in decline because he's human! No mortal can play as long as he has done with the amount of pressure he has had on his shoulders and do what he did for say 12 years. No one.

And I assume you're only referring to tests?

 

[ramu]

think again

I think England have no chance in this match now.

i think dem goraz goonnna win

 

[ramu]

sachin is gonna be bak big time 3rd test belongs to sachin

 

[ramu]

sachin is gonna be bak big time 3rd test belongs to sachin

ramu yaar you r rite

 

[marc71178]

Theres a certain limit to backing though, i wonder if Dravid had gone through the same stuff that Tendulkar has, and had a similar runless period would the same leniency be granted to him...

Or even Ganguly:

Quick comparison - last 10 Tests - 408 @ 31.38 plays 461 @ 32.92
Last 5 Tests - 171 @ 28.50 plays 111 @ 22.20

 

[kvemuri]

in your opinion, what would mean that tendulkar wouldn't warrant a place in the indian side anymore?

When he starts hopping like a bunny rabbit to Shane Bond/Brett Lee's darts, when he starts publicly complaining that people in the team are giving him a hard time, basically when he starts behaving like a Prima Donna.

I think he atleast warrants couple of more series to be pursued with in the long form of game. Granted his lack of form has been disconcerting but this man has been the face of the team for more than a decade, his exploits in the 90s (at time when our great bowling attack consisted of bowlers like Srinath, Prasad, Mohanty, Harvinder Singh, Bantu Singh, Prashanth Vaidya, Raju etc) single handedly won many games.

In some cases even his exploits weren't enough to win games, cause after he had done the hard yards of taking India close to victory others would fall like 9 pins. The opponents knew he was the prize wkt, he knew he was the prize wkt and the worse kept secret was he knew the opponents knew he was the prize wkt.

How many times did we lose a game once he fell, how many times we lost a game after he had done all the hard work. The funny part of being Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar is, he is damned if plays well (the mantra then is "Idiot he should've been there all the way, how does he think the other 10 can win the game for us") and damned if he doesn't (mantra then is "Choker always fails when we need him the most"). The fault never lies in the other 10 who play with him it always lies with him.

Heck the man carried expectations of an entire nation for a decade and odd and delivered as much as he could in both formats of the game. Heck it was less than 3 years ago he single handedly propelled us to the 2003 WC finals. For the decade and odd of service that he has given to his team, I am going to argue he is the ONLY player who deserves such a level of consideration.

 

[marc71178]

When a comparison is made do we take 10 matches, 15 matches or 20 matches, 1, 1.5 or 2 years?

How many players have a run that long without being dropped then?

 

[marc71178]

Tendulkar's in the same position David Beckham is, but English socey fans have to put up with the fact he isn't going to be dropped, so you should do the same with Sachin.

Not at all the same.

Beckham's performances still warrant a spot as no player has anywhere near as well.

 

[marc71178]

What disrespect? Did I not engage in this debate for a few pages?
Where exactly did I indicate that I don't want to listen to your opinion?
You're the one who went off accusing me of "assumptions" when I was the one who addressed your point. I never disrespected you. If you felt disrespected, that's due no fault of mine.

You're not the first one to be treated in that way Liam...

 

[marc71178]

Yeah. But it is 15 vs 5 year career we are comparing. Forget that as you don't care regarding the same as for you current form is most vital.

That's irrelevant.

What happened 10 years ago has no bearing on current form.

 

[marc71178]

I think he atleast warrants couple of more series to be pursued with in the long form of game.

And if he fails in them, does he then warrant one more series, just in case?