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[pup11]

His batting ability, on the basis of having seen him bat. He has his limitations, but he's not as limited a player as Collingwood. Not talking about orthodox v unorthodox shots, but ability to score runs on the whole. Collingwood has made a fine contribution to England and is still worth a spot in the ODI side, but he's not as good a batsman as Trott.

I agree. England wishing Prior could be Gilchrist, evidently.

Yeah, I don't agree with the policy, but that plainly is what it is. Flower seems to be suggesting the motivational features and energy in the field are what England wants. So it's not about glovework. It's about leadership in the field. Which is something Flower knows a lot about, granted, but he was also worth his spot as a batsman in his time.

For me Trott is someone who can be easily tied down and that's not the sort of bloke you want in your top order, he is also pretty much the only bloke that Collingwood can replace in this current English side and there is no denying Collingwood adds more value to the ODI side than him.
Pretty much the same can be said about Prior who was competing with Davies and Kieswetter who both are better LO batsman than him, so from what I understand from all this is that Flower is trying to pretty much take the same team that won the Ashes to the worldcup which is very likely to prove to be a mistake in the end.

 

[Tom 1972]

I hate losing to this lot. 3 in a row. Gah.

Well done Oz, i guess

Easy to say when you buggers hold the Ashes.

I'll take the Ashes & #1 Test rating over the ODI World Cup any day.

 

[pup11]

He isn't a FTB, which you seem to be suggesting.

Ponting relies mostly on counter-attack and bit of luck to survive the intial period in tricky conditions, becuase he certainly is pretty vulnerable early on his innings because of his tendency of going hard at the ball and playing around his front-pad, and in his current form he would been pretty much a sitting duck today.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

For me Trott is someone who can be easily tied down and that's not the sort of bloke you want in your top order, he is also pretty much the only bloke that Collingwood can replace in this current English side and there is no denying Collingwood adds more value to the ODI side than him.
Pretty much the same can be said about Prior who was competing with Davies and Kieswetter who both are better LO batsman than him, so from what I understand from all this is that Flower is trying to pretty much take the same team that won the Ashes to the worldcup which is very likely to prove to be a mistake in the end.

I see Trott as an anchor that people can bat around. Given that Cook is out of the picture, seemingly for eternity, I wouldn't mind seeing him at three with strokeplayers around him. Granted, if Bell is opening the batting, that would be his role. There's a place for Trott in the England set up IMO, and Collingwood should be competing for an allrounder spot, not a specialist spot.

 

[vcs]

Ponting relies mostly on counter-attack and bit of luck to survive the intial period in tricky conditions, becuase he certainly is pretty vulnerable early on his innings because of his tendency of going hard at the ball and playing around his front-pad, and in his current form he would been pretty much a sitting duck today.

I would say he generally prefers the ball coming on to the bat + bounce, to a slow and low track. Though at this stage of his career, he is perhaps more vulnerable starting against pace than spin, as his reflexes have possibly slowed down. Always used to be the other way around for the majority of his career.

 

[Cevno]

Eh? England are playing in India in the WC and he likes the surfaces out there.

Thought you were talking about ponting ,seeing the post above.

 

[FBU]

With the injuries around Marsh could get into the WC squad and open the batting with Watson. Haddin doesn't look as if he is going to get into form anytime soon. Our bowlers wouldn't find it easy with the left/right combination.

 

[TumTum]

Ponting relies mostly on counter-attack and bit of luck to survive the intial period in tricky conditions, becuase he certainly is pretty vulnerable early on his innings because of his tendency of going hard at the ball and playing around his front-pad, and in his current form he would been pretty much a sitting duck today.

As I said previously he's in pretty good form in ODIs. Saying he would have been a sitting duck is not only ridiculous but disrespectful to the great man.

 

[Faisal1985]

That was such a cracker of a performance by Aus. I went to sleep after Clarke fell and expected an absolute thrashing by England...but what a come back...superb....

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

As I said previously he's in pretty good form in ODIs. Saying he would have been a sitting duck is not only ridiculous but disrespectful to the great man.

He's failed to reach 20 in 6 of his last 12 ODI innings. That's not "pretty good form". Not diabolical, but pretty darned average.

 

[Jacknife]

I see Trott as an anchor that people can bat around. Given that Cook is out of the picture, seemingly for eternity, I wouldn't mind seeing him at three with strokeplayers around him. Granted, if Bell is opening the batting, that would be his role. There's a place for Trott in the England set up IMO, and Collingwood should be competing for an allrounder spot, not a specialist spot.

I agree, there is definitely a place for Trott in the team, he's good at batting in partnerships, he lets players bat around him, while he bats through the innings and you can't really argue when he averages 43. But saying that when Trott's in the team, you have to get the balance right.What England lack is a better option to Yardy, a big hitting spinner, would be ideal and that's why it's a shame Patel couldn't get himself sorted out or even Bopara. I think as long as Colly shows a bit of form before the start of the WC he'll be playing, especially with his bowling, it will be very handy in the sub continent. It seems obvious to me that England are trying a few things out ahead of the WC, especially with their back up bowlers and who's batting where, so as long as they get it right in the end, I won't be bothered. So far, when the batsmen have done alright, the bowlers have let them down and when the bowlers ball well, the batsmen have failed, so it's about getting them all firing at the same time.

 

[pup11]

As I said previously he's in pretty good form in ODIs. Saying he would have been a sitting duck is not only ridiculous but disrespectful to the great man.

I'm one of the biggest fans of Rick but his current form is just not good enough, the way medium pace Sri Lankan bowlers kept on bouncing him out is just further proof of the same.

 

[pup11]

I see Trott as an anchor that people can bat around. Given that Cook is out of the picture, seemingly for eternity, I wouldn't mind seeing him at three with strokeplayers around him. Granted, if Bell is opening the batting, that would be his role. There's a place for Trott in the England set up IMO, and Collingwood should be competing for an allrounder spot, not a specialist spot.

Don't English strokeplayers already have anchors like Strauss and Bell to bat around, also I think you are underesestimating Collingwood as an ODI batsman, his current form notwithstanding he has probably been one of England's best LO batsman for a while now so there is no way Trott should be playing ahead of him.
In fact this should be the English XI for the 3rd game :
#Strauss
#Bell
#Pietersen
#Collingwood
#Morgan
#Prior
#Yardy
#Bresnan
#Woakes
#Tredwell
#Shahzad

 

[Prince EWS]

Would sooner drop Yardy than Trott at this point. I don't fancy Collingwood bowling ten overs but I fancy Prior batting six even less.

 

[Jacknife]

Would sooner drop Yardy than Trott at this point. I don't fancy Collingwood bowling ten overs but I fancy Prior batting six even less.

I don't know, I fancy Prior will go alright in the sub continent, but not as opener. I would open with Strauss and Bell and have Prior down the order. I think Prior's improved a fair bit, in one day cricket, compared to what he like a few years ago, where is problem was finding the gaps and generally got too excited. He'll get his chance, so we'll see how he does. In test match cricket, he bats at a fair rate and he's just come off the fastest 100 by a England player since Botham in '81, so we know he's got the talent.

 

[Jacknife]

Don't English strokeplayers already have anchors like Strauss and Bell to bat around, also I think you are underesestimating Collingwood as an ODI batsman, his current form notwithstanding he has probably been one of England's best LO batsman for a while now so there is no way Trott should be playing ahead of him.
In fact this should be the English XI for the 3rd game :
#Strauss
#Bell
#Pietersen
#Collingwood
#Morgan
#Prior
#Yardy
#Bresnan
#Woakes
#Tredwell
#Shahzad

Yes, when Colly's in form, he'd be one of the first on the team sheet and as long as he doesn't look like a walking wicket by the start of the WC he'll be playing, especially for the fact he can bowl and he's a great fielder.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Don't English strokeplayers already have anchors like Strauss and Bell to bat around, also I think you are underesestimating Collingwood as an ODI batsman

Well I did mention just that about Bell. And I did also say that Collingwood merits a place. What I disagreed on was that Trott was of no benefit to the side and a poor ODI batsman. Specifically classed with Prior, who's a very poor ODI batsman.

Would sooner drop Yardy than Trott at this point. I don't fancy Collingwood bowling ten overs but I fancy Prior batting six even less.

Yeah, Collingwood bowling 10 isn't ideal, but I can't see him going worse than Yardy usually does these days. If England are content with 10-0-50odd-1, then might as well get more value with the bat from that spot.

 

[pup11]

Yes, when Colly's in form, he'd be one of the first on the team sheet and as long as he doesn't look like a walking wicket by the start of the WC he'll be playing, especially for the fact he can bowl and he's a great fielder.

Its not only his batting though, his fielding brings a lot of energy to the side and his cutters too are gonna prove very effective during the worldcup, if I were an English fan then I would be hoping that the management does everything possible to utilise the remaining games to ring him back into some sort of form before the worldcup.

 

[Jarquis]

Strauss
Bell
Trott
Pietersen
Collingwood
Morgan
Prior
Bresnan
Swann
Broad
Anderson
for the WC.

If Bell and Strauss put on a monster partnership then I'd have KP come in ahead of Trott to continue the momentum then if that goes well have Morgan for the last 10. Trott's position in the lineup should be pretty flexible, if we're in need of a rebuild or somebody to work the middle overs then get him in. Only issue is relying on Bresnan to get through his 10 each game. Then 10 from Colly/Trott/KP
Prior opening is genuinely putrid. Don't understand it one bit.

 

[marc71178]

Don't understand the point re: Trott not being good enough. He's a fine limited overs batsman, and hasn't done much to suggest he won't be a fine ODI batsman. He's had a lean run of late, but still performed better than Collingwood over the past year. And he's a better batsman in general. In pretty much every format and at every level.

Trott's been an OD opener for the past few years for Warwickshire - could understand leaving him down the order for Davies, but not with Prior in.

From the 15 I'd be tempted to go

Strauss
Trott
Bell
KP
Collingwood
Morgan
Prior
Bresnan
Swann
Broad
Anderson

Yes, you'd have to get 10 out of Colly, KP, Trott but I'd back those 3 to be close to what Yardy turns out at the moment.