*Official* England in Australia (2 T20 & 7 ODIs)

[pup11]

funny how everyone took that the wrong way. I should have said "We can see the big negative impact the absence of Ponting is having on the teams batting performance."

If your earlier post was meant to compliment Ponting, then don't think you managed to do that at all.
Anyways, I don't know what you are on about with this, Ponting would be a positive for the worldcup only if finds some of his lost form, because with his current form don't think he would have done any better than the Aussie top order.

 

[Jacknife]

He has been in awful form these last couple of years, for one reason and another, but the last match he did look some what back to his best, before that jammy run out.The good thing for England, is he plays well in India in Odi's.

 

[pup11]

What did Nicholas say re. Clarke?

Nicholas was asking Clarke about the injury status of Haurrie and Tait and after Clarke answered him, he caught Clarke on the wrong foot and asked ''and what about you.'' Clarke kind of just laughed it off in the end.

 

[Jacknife]

Why is that a good thing for England?

Eh? England are playing in India in the WC and he likes the surfaces out there.

 

[Blaze 18]

Australia seem to be peaking just at the right time. Four in a row is very much on.

 

[pup11]

Looking at it from an English pov.... what's up with having both Trott and Prior in ODI side, they both just aren't good ODI batsmen imo and keeping someone like Collingwood out for Trott regardless of the fact that he is out of form isn't really that smart.
Collingwood not only is a handy batsman, he adds a lot to the side with his bowling and fielding as well.
England had success in the LO formats in recent times becuase they picked good LO cricketers and allowed them to play freely, but with the worldcup creeping closer they seem to have gone back to the formula of backing good test players in the ODI format because I think picking Woakes, Davies and Collingwood instead of Tremlett, Prior and Trott would have been the way to go.

 

[Spark]

The interesting thing is everyone seems to have problems. SAF look brittle if you get through their top order (although what a top order it is) and their bowlers can take stick, England have a bunch of good but not great players and possibly lack that real spark or star that takes them through the big games, India are vulnerable at the death and we are over-reliant on individual performances

And then there's the fact that everyone seems to have injury issues too

 

[morgieb]

Don't see what's wrong with being reliant on individual brilliance as long as it wins you games....

 

[Spark]

Well there'll be that time where it either doesn't win you games or you just don't get that performance...

 

[Jacknife]

Looking at it from an English pov.... what's up with having both Trott and Prior in ODI side, they both just aren't good ODI batsmen imo and keeping someone like Collingwood out for Trott regardless of the fact that he is out of form isn't really that smart.
Collingwood not only is a handy batsman, he adds a lot to the side with his bowling and fielding as well.
England had success in the LO formats in recent times becuase they picked good LO cricketers and allowed them to play freely, but with the worldcup creeping closer they seem to have gone back to the formula of backing good test players in the ODI format because I think picking Woakes, Davies and Collingwood instead of Tremlett, Prior and Trott would have been the way to go.

Yes, there does seem to be a bit of, trying people out with the WC in mind and having to play people because of injuries and absentees. I think they are trying to find they're best side, that is suited for the sub continent and they must be keeping their eye on the injuries front with 5 still to play, as well as warm up games in the sub continent. I think.as far as Colly, I think he will be back in for the WC, the England team have suggested he just need a few games off, to see if he can come back a bit more refreshed and focused.

 

[pup11]

Australia seem to be peaking just at the right time. Four in a row is very much on.

That's anything but the case, we have won these 2 games only on the back of couple of individual performances, but as a team we still need to improve a lot.
The hallmark of a good Australian side has always been that every member of the squad had a role which they carried out well, with this current side there are still a lot of question marks over the spots and value of some of the individuals, but hopefully with the remaining 5 games we can iron out all this issues and go into the worldcup with good momentum on our side.

 

[Spark]

Jeez, it really is amazing just how long a seven match series is...

 

[TumTum]

If your earlier post was meant to compliment Ponting, then don't think you managed to do that at all.
Anyways, I don't know what you are on about with this, Ponting would be a positive for the worldcup only if finds some of his lost form, because with his current form don't think he would have done any better than the Aussie top order.

Haha.. what!? So all of sudden Ricky is the villian now, I mean say whatever you want to say about Ponting's test captaincy but as an ODI captain he has been pretty good.
He is going to be vital to our worldcup chances, becuase I can't see us going very far in the tournament without his batting and leadership skills.

Please make up your mind...

Anyways don't let Ponting's recent Test results confuse you, I don't believe he has ever lost form at the ODI format.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Don't understand the point re: Trott not being good enough. He's a fine limited overs batsman, and hasn't done much to suggest he won't be a fine ODI batsman. He's had a lean run of late, but still performed better than Collingwood over the past year. And he's a better batsman in general. In pretty much every format and at every level.

If you're looking at passengers, look at Michael Yardy. He's averaging 50 with the ball and going at 5-an-over for the past year. And 3 of those 12 wickets came against Scotland, at the start of that run. Somehow he manages to convince the selectors that he's doing a good job. If he was a decent batsman, he could have a case. But as things stand Collingwood would probably be a more effective bowler, let alone batsman.

And re: Prior; He's obviously in the team for his performance in the field ahead of anything else. This has been explicitly stated.

 

[TumTum]

Don't understand the point re: Trott not being good enough. He's a fine limited overs batsman, and hasn't done much to suggest he won't be a fine ODI batsman.

From what basis, his average or his stroke-play? Reckon especially in the SC, his favorite leg side shots will be his downfall with the ball not coming on and the spinners bowling. He hasn't really shown versatility with his stroke-play.

 

[Furball]

And re: Prior; He's obviously in the team for his performance in the field ahead of anything else. This has been explicitly stated.

That's fine, but why the **** are we opening with him when he's been an utter failure opening in ODIs?

 

[Prince EWS]

And re: Prior; He's obviously in the team for his performance in the field ahead of anything else. This has been explicitly stated.

It means they only play five players who have any claim to being batsmen though. When you have a bowling allrounder at seven, you can't afford to pick a specialist wicket keeper. Prior himself should never bat above seven in ODIs so unless they want to drop Yardy for Collingwood - in which case their WC squad would have no backup batsman anymore - their batting is ridiculously light on.

I'll also add that I highly doubt Prior is actually the best gloveman in the country anyway. He's improved and he's probably better than Davies but is he really better than someone like Foster? Doubtful.

 

[pup11]

Please make up your mind...

Anyways don't let Ponting's recent Test results confuse you, I don't believe he has ever lost form at the ODI format.

As I said Ponting would have to turn his form around and lead the team from the front for us to have a chance, but still even when Ponting is in good form he is always vulnerable against the moving ball atleast early on his innings, so frankly speaking its highly unlikely he would done any better than the rest of the top order.
I too expect him to do well in the worldcup simply because the ball won't move or bounce above knee height in the sub-continent which should be ideal batting conditions for him.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

From what basis, his average or his stroke-play? Reckon especially in the SC, his favorite leg side shots will be his downfall with the ball not coming on and the spinners bowling. He hasn't really shown versatility with his stroke-play.

His batting ability, on the basis of having seen him bat. He has his limitations, but he's not as limited a player as Collingwood. Not talking about orthodox v unorthodox shots, but ability to score runs on the whole. Collingwood has made a fine contribution to England and is still worth a spot in the ODI side, but he's not as good a batsman as Trott.

That's fine, but why the **** are we opening with him when he's been an utter failure opening in ODIs?

I agree. England wishing Prior could be Gilchrist, evidently.

It means they only play five players who have any claim to being batsmen though. When you have a bowling allrounder at seven, you can't afford to pick a specialist wicket keeper. Prior himself should never bat above seven in ODIs so unless they want to drop Yardy for Collingwood - in which case their WC squad would have no backup batsman anymore - their batting is ridiculously light on.

I'll also add that I highly doubt Prior is actually the best gloveman in the country anyway. He's improved and he's probably better than Davies but is he really better than someone like Foster? Doubtful.

Yeah, I don't agree with the policy, but that plainly is what it is. Flower seems to be suggesting the motivational features and energy in the field are what England wants. So it's not about glovework. It's about leadership in the field. Which is something Flower knows a lot about, granted, but he was also worth his spot as a batsman in his time.

 

[TumTum]

As I said Ponting would have to turn his form around and lead the team from the front for us to have a chance, but still even when Ponting is in good form he is always vulnerable against the moving ball atleast early on his innings, so frankly speaking its highly unlikely he would done any better than the rest of the top order.
I too expect him to do well in the worldcup simply because the ball won't move or bounce above knee height in the sub-continent which should be ideal batting conditions for him.

He isn't a FTB, which you seem to be suggesting.