***Official*** Australian Domestic Season 2010/11

[Kylez]

Fantastic to see George Bailey ton up in those circumstances! A huge ton as well which makes it even better. If Bailey just does this more reguarly then he'll deafinitely be in the selectors eyes.

In other news, I'm pleased to see James Smith celebrate his return to the FC team with twin 50's. The bloke is quite talented from what I've seen, scores quickly, has all the shots in the book, especially against the new ball. I think his defence still needs a bit of tightening though and when out of form, Smith seems to have some off stump awareness issues too. Reminds me of Micheal Slater tbh.

 

[pup11]

Aesthetically he seems very average - doesn't swing the ball despite barely bowling above medium pace and is a limited batsman. Credit to the way he's performed - he's had an absolutely fantastic season by anyone's standards - but I think it's safe to say that most people think he'll fall away a bit before he kicks on unless he adds a dimension to his game.

Not saying he is a Flintoff in the making but still from what I've seen he seems to have the right platform as a cricketer to build upon, the kid is just 20 and there is every chance that his game might go up a few notches, but I think its pretty harsh to suggest that the only reason he plays for Tassie is because his dad is an influential person down there which is what most people here seem to think about him.

Also... what I said about Bailey getting runs at the wrong time was keeping in mind the fact that had he produced performances like this at the start of the season, he would have most probably made it into the Australian squads across all three formats.

I've been very impressed with Bailey for a long time but his only issue was he never really went onto make big scores despite making plenty of good looking 60's and 70's, he seems to have corrected that to a large extent ever since becoming the Tassie skipper so I just hope he can sustain this form for the rest of the season and break into the Aussie test side for Sri Lanka.

 

[howardj]

Reality check >

No doubt a great knock by Bailey, but in terms of Australian selection....no thankyou.

The guy is 28 and, only with that knock, does his FC average now stand at 40

Debuting for Australia with that CV? Marcus North, anyone?

 

[howardj]

Brisbane Heat

But don't put them in maroon though, it's not 'edgy'. lol

No matter what generation you're aiming at, at the end of the day, quality wins out. If the international stars like Watson, Ponting, Johnson, Clarke etc are not playing (and they are apparently not for at least the first few years) then the competition will struggle. Call the team what you like, give it whatever colours you like but if the players are just the same domestic guys going around in the Big Bash, then the competition will not thrive. It's about quality - not 'edgy' names, edgy colours, free agency etc.

It's so patronising/condescending to think you can corner a generation through the use of names or colours.

 

[Top_Cat]

Reality check >

No doubt a great knock by Bailey, but in terms of Australian selection....no thankyou.

The guy is 28 and, only with that knock, does his FC average now stand at 40

Debuting for Australia with that CV? Marcus North, anyone?

Yep, immense knock and all but I'll be shocked if he plays Tests.

 

[brockley]

Dave gilbert doesn't want to send pattrick cummins to the academy,now kim hughes doesn't want to send nathan lyon to the academy,pick up any state lack of confidence in the academy,maybe so many injuries perhaps.

 

[Julian87]

Seriously though; which Australian spinner in the past 25 years has obviously benefited from a stint at an Australian academy? (Regarding Lyon, obviously)

 

[Top_Cat]

Been downhill ever since they moved it from Henley.

 

[Top_Cat]

Seriously though; which Australian spinner in the past 25 years has obviously benefited from a stint at an Australian academy? (Regarding Lyon, obviously)

Fair question but I'm a bit worried about his support in SA. Got to be better at the CoE than what'll be available at the Favell-Dansie centre.

 

[Julian87]

Dan Cullen was ruined and Cullen Bailey's action was changed because he grew 2 inches.

2 astounding success stories there.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Here's a question: what (or whom?) is the one common denominator about every post-Warne/MacGill spinner?

Might not be the most politically correct time to be bringing this up, to be fair...

 

[Kylez]

Dan Cullen was ruined and Cullen Bailey's action was changed because he grew 2 inches.

2 astounding success stories there.

Terry Jenner largely at fault here IMO.

 

[Noble One]

Did Stuart MacGill attend the academy?

 

[pup11]

Reality check >

No doubt a great knock by Bailey, but in terms of Australian selection....no thankyou.

The guy is 28 and, only with that knock, does his FC average now stand at 40

Debuting for Australia with that CV? Marcus North, anyone?

Bailey's low average has got a lot to with his reckless attitude towards batting early on his career, if I'm not wrong he was among the top run scorers last season and despite a slow start this season he seems to be getting back into his groove.

There aren't many great options around atm who can fill that #6 slot in the test side, but if Bailey keeps on getting runs then he certainly should get a chance in the test side.

Also don't know why every bloke that gets selected for Australia needs to have flashy stats next to his name, at times you gotta look at a bloke's talent and the qualities he brings into the team.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Terry Jenner largely at fault here IMO.

The way that Jenner was elevated as this spin bowling God after becoming Warne's go to guy hasn't helped in the slightest. His word became gospel, and that hasn't been a good thing for Australian spin bowling. Every finger spinner has to work with him, and some of his stuff makes sense, but there's only one way to bowl in his mind, and if you can't do that then you won't make it.

 

[robelinda]

Tis true. Warne was a one off, obviously, the others were just regular normal bowlers who were unfortunately following Warne, but needed different styles of coaching, bad luck I guess that no-one figured it out sooner.

 

[Jelze5]

Bailey's low average has got a lot to with his reckless attitude towards batting early on his career, if I'm not wrong he was among the top run scorers last season and despite a slow start this season he seems to be getting back into his groove.

There aren't many great options around atm who can fill that #6 slot in the test side, but if Bailey keeps on getting runs then he certainly should get a chance in the test side.

Also don't know why every bloke that gets selected for Australia needs to have flashy stats next to his name, at times you gotta look at a bloke's talent and the qualities he brings into the team.

The thing about George Bailey is that there are a lot of other players with similar stats and who whilst are good first class players, aren't really test standard in my opinion. Ferguson and Marsh are others in this category for me. Could all be good ODI and t20 players, but not ideal for tests.

 

[Andre]

Here's a question: what (or whom?) is the one common denominator about every post-Warne/MacGill spinner?

Might not be the most politically correct time to be bringing this up, to be fair...

Ricky Ponting.

 

[Top_Cat]

Here's a question: what (or whom?) is the one common denominator about every post-Warne/MacGill spinner?

Might not be the most politically correct time to be bringing this up, to be fair...

Fair point but surely there's other factors at lower levels than what Jenner coaches at. More pace-friendly pitches at Shield level of late? The rise of T20 utility all-rounders? Spinners only being used in all forms to bowl slow-med?

You're at the coal-face so you'd be in a better position to know but I'm curious as to why spinners in every state aren't even being selected and when they are, asked to just do a job rather than take wickets. How early in their development do spinners get Jennernerfed?

It reminds me very much of how spinners were treated pre-Warne, lots of dinky meds around the place to support the quicks was the order of the day. From what I recall, blokes like Jenner were appointed to address this exact problem which led to blokes like Warne getting earmarked for Tests and what people are calling for now. Politically, it was about getting spinners into state teams rather than specialist coaching and Jenner, whilst offering some, was mainly about advocacy. From memory, Jenner = technical God came much later.

Guess I'm just sceptical that with Jenner gone from the coaching game, that suddenly the spin slaves are free. They've still got to get a game and I think state selectors are getting a free pass if Jenner is being totally blamed for the state of spin bowling in this country. Reckon some state captains need a re-think about how they treat their spinners.

 

[Spark]

Ricky Ponting.

This is actually a fantastic point.