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*Official* Australia v Pakistan Test Series
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Neil Pickup
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Well.. I think either could happen with the Waughs.
I'd give them one or two tests vs England because an Ashes conflict can really fire people up, and go from there.
Otherwise Katich, Hussey etc are in with a shout.
I'd give them one or two tests vs England because an Ashes conflict can really fire people up, and go from there.
Otherwise Katich, Hussey etc are in with a shout.
Right now, Australia are winning and winning convincingly in spite of the Waughs. Exactly why should they keep them? They are not in the team on merit, more on past glory and Steve, because he is captain. True, many other captains have gone through much bigger batting horrors(Taylor, Ganguly), but at 37(or is it 38?), time is definitely not on his side. Even if he now hits a century against an obviously demoralised Pakistan, he should still make way for a promising young player and the captaincy should be handed over to Ponting or some other regular like Warne or Gilchrist.
age_master
Hall of Fame Member
im also in favor of dropping the waughs,
My Aust XI
Haydden
Hussey
Ponting
Langer
Katich
Martyn
Gilchrist
Lee
Warne
Gillespie
McGrath
have Hauritz as Reserve spinner, Braken as reserve quick and Maher and Cox and Love as reserve Bats
My Aust XI
Haydden
Hussey
Ponting
Langer
Katich
Martyn
Gilchrist
Lee
Warne
Gillespie
McGrath
have Hauritz as Reserve spinner, Braken as reserve quick and Maher and Cox and Love as reserve Bats
Top_Cat
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I can understand all but Hussey and Katich. Why on EARTH would you bat Langer at 4? Why would you split up Langer and Hayden? And number 4 is usually reserved for the team's best strokeplayer so Damien Martyn would HAVE to move up. And I think Hussey might have missed his window, unfortunately because I think he's VERY talented.
I'd say that Ahktar & Warne have answered their critics so far as their value & class is concerned 
I think the fate of the Waugh's will rest with the performances of the rest of the Australian batsmen over the series. If they fail to score when the rest are then they will be looked at long and hard, but collapses like the 2nd innings of the 1st test tend to get put aside as being out of the norm.
So far they have 3 innings for 3 failures for this series and things do not look encouraging. If they get a good knock in the remaining innings they will probably start in The Ashes, simply because it is The Ashes and the selectors will be reluctant to change 2 experienced batsmen, one of whom is the Captain.
I think it is more likely that the Captaincy will save Steve, but Mark will be lucky to stay.
While I have never agreed with the selection of Langer as an Opener, they will not change a 'winning' combination for any reason other than injury / retirement.
I do not think they will bring in 2 new faces in a series, rather I think that if they had to replace 2 batsmen they would go 1 newby & 1 retread.
I suppose that I still have a hope for an outside chance for a recall for Blewy, as he is still only in his early 30's - no older than Langer, Hayden or Lehmen when they got their recalls. His averages are as good as any other contender, he has previous International experience to his credit, maturity as a player and State Captaincy. As a bat he is equally effective anywhere in the top order and I would love to see him as No3 with Ponting at 4.
As I said in an earlier post my ideal would be for the development of a batsman that can bowl accurate medium pace - not so much to attack the batsmen but to contain at one end.
I think the fate of the Waugh's will rest with the performances of the rest of the Australian batsmen over the series. If they fail to score when the rest are then they will be looked at long and hard, but collapses like the 2nd innings of the 1st test tend to get put aside as being out of the norm.
So far they have 3 innings for 3 failures for this series and things do not look encouraging. If they get a good knock in the remaining innings they will probably start in The Ashes, simply because it is The Ashes and the selectors will be reluctant to change 2 experienced batsmen, one of whom is the Captain.
I think it is more likely that the Captaincy will save Steve, but Mark will be lucky to stay.
While I have never agreed with the selection of Langer as an Opener, they will not change a 'winning' combination for any reason other than injury / retirement.
I do not think they will bring in 2 new faces in a series, rather I think that if they had to replace 2 batsmen they would go 1 newby & 1 retread.
I suppose that I still have a hope for an outside chance for a recall for Blewy, as he is still only in his early 30's - no older than Langer, Hayden or Lehmen when they got their recalls. His averages are as good as any other contender, he has previous International experience to his credit, maturity as a player and State Captaincy. As a bat he is equally effective anywhere in the top order and I would love to see him as No3 with Ponting at 4.
As I said in an earlier post my ideal would be for the development of a batsman that can bowl accurate medium pace - not so much to attack the batsmen but to contain at one end.
luckyeddie
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I think that the writing's on the wall as far as Steve Waugh is concerned.
When a captain goes into print giving his opinion as to who his successor should be, then you know it's not far away.
I have a feeling that he will call it quits before he is pushed - and that could be sooner rather than later.
When a captain goes into print giving his opinion as to who his successor should be, then you know it's not far away.
I have a feeling that he will call it quits before he is pushed - and that could be sooner rather than later.
Its over. I hope the Pakistan selectors take the blame and don't leave it on poor Waqar.
Rik
Cricketer Of The Year
All out for 53 but with one batsman retired hurt...new lowest test score for Pakistan beating their 59 in the 1st innings although their 2nd innings too 24.5 overs compared to their 1st innings which lasted 31.5. Something has to be done here! Even Bangladesh don't get destroyed this badly!
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A sad day for Pakistani cricket, really..........that pitch had nothing in it for the quicks or the spinners. If anything it was quite slow, which would have made scoring difficult but this.........well this is a new low. I mean, the Aussies didn't even bowl brilliantly yet they ended up winning the Test so quickly.
I guess the question to be asked for Pakistan is; what the hell went wrong???? This is more than purely being outplayed, I believe. The Pakistan team has some serious internal problems and I think this will bring them to a head. I mean, fancy Pakistan, touted as a WC favourite and the second/third best Test team in the world, being bowled out for 59 and 53!!! The Pakistani claim of lots of depth after the first Test has been made a hollow mockery of by this 'Test', if it can be called that in respect to the Aussies. And I get the feeling that the players aren't totally to blame. Heads will surely roll...................
I guess the question to be asked for Pakistan is; what the hell went wrong???? This is more than purely being outplayed, I believe. The Pakistan team has some serious internal problems and I think this will bring them to a head. I mean, fancy Pakistan, touted as a WC favourite and the second/third best Test team in the world, being bowled out for 59 and 53!!! The Pakistani claim of lots of depth after the first Test has been made a hollow mockery of by this 'Test', if it can be called that in respect to the Aussies. And I get the feeling that the players aren't totally to blame. Heads will surely roll...................
aussie_beater
State Vice-Captain
What was this test match ?? ....some kinda joke ? Has a test match ever ended inside of two days ? ...that's so deplorable.Even Kenya would have done better then this.
Whatever ails Pakistani cricket is no excuse for such a pathetic display from one of the top cricket playing nation in the world. The pitch was no minefield.What was it then ? As a cricket fan, I am appalled by it.
Whatever ails Pakistani cricket is no excuse for such a pathetic display from one of the top cricket playing nation in the world. The pitch was no minefield.What was it then ? As a cricket fan, I am appalled by it.
Neil Pickup
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Rik - Yeah, Headingley 2000, when old Jug Ears took 4 in one over.
They're the only two instances in the last fifty years, however.
Pakistani cricket has big problems and something needs doing. This is what we feared as a worst-case and it's happened.
As for Australia
Langer
Hayden
Ponting (c)
Martyn
Blewett
Katich/Love
Gilchrist
Warne
Lee
Gillespie/Bichel (injury permitting)
McGrath
Plus Hauritz, Hussey and another quick (Williams? I know little about Aus Domestic).
They're the only two instances in the last fifty years, however.
Pakistani cricket has big problems and something needs doing. This is what we feared as a worst-case and it's happened.
As for Australia
Langer
Hayden
Ponting (c)
Martyn
Blewett
Katich/Love
Gilchrist
Warne
Lee
Gillespie/Bichel (injury permitting)
McGrath
Plus Hauritz, Hussey and another quick (Williams? I know little about Aus Domestic).
luckyeddie
Cricket Web Staff Member
I'm not going to say 'oh dear' any more.
Trouble at t'mill, I reckon.
Trouble at t'mill, I reckon.
Gotchya
State Vice-Captain
Sad..indeed. With all my fuming optimism, even i didn't see this coming. An innings and 198 runs hardly reflects the actual torment of any Pakistan fan. Or for that matter, any cricket fan.
Only three other teams have recorded a lower match tally than the 112 Pakistan put together and it's the lowest match aggregate in 56 years.
It's also only the second time in 50 years a Test match has finished inside two days, with England's win over the West Indies at Headlingley two years ago the other.
It really does hit hard 59/10 53/9 almost sounds like a voodo curse. All the talk about inconsistencies seems dull when put in contrast to this performance.
An obvious reason for the performance is that the team is not playing like one. Its not strength from strength rather every man for himself. Waqar has me dissapointed, I expected better grip and vigilence from him. Such a young team is bound to be incohesive, thats where the captain comes in, I just did not see Waqar anywhere.
No team in the world places a series in the platter and offers it to the opposition like this. With Inzimam and Youhanna out with injuries, I can only guess the wisdom behind the decision to field such an inexperienced team. They were always in for a thrashing, but this goes far beyond that. Fundamental questions will now arise, for Pakistans sake, I hope these questions find answers otherwise its trouble, lots of it.
This loss leaves a disoriented Pakistan behind, with an undeniable apprehension that something is terribly wrong with the national team. All Waqar can hope to do now is to salvage some form of respect in the series, that done or not, go back to the drawing board and do some major rethinking. Rethinking not on strategy, but far more ground problems. Strategy is a far cry yet !
Else, the hits will just keep on coming.
Only three other teams have recorded a lower match tally than the 112 Pakistan put together and it's the lowest match aggregate in 56 years.
It's also only the second time in 50 years a Test match has finished inside two days, with England's win over the West Indies at Headlingley two years ago the other.
It really does hit hard 59/10 53/9 almost sounds like a voodo curse. All the talk about inconsistencies seems dull when put in contrast to this performance.
An obvious reason for the performance is that the team is not playing like one. Its not strength from strength rather every man for himself. Waqar has me dissapointed, I expected better grip and vigilence from him. Such a young team is bound to be incohesive, thats where the captain comes in, I just did not see Waqar anywhere.
No team in the world places a series in the platter and offers it to the opposition like this. With Inzimam and Youhanna out with injuries, I can only guess the wisdom behind the decision to field such an inexperienced team. They were always in for a thrashing, but this goes far beyond that. Fundamental questions will now arise, for Pakistans sake, I hope these questions find answers otherwise its trouble, lots of it.
This loss leaves a disoriented Pakistan behind, with an undeniable apprehension that something is terribly wrong with the national team. All Waqar can hope to do now is to salvage some form of respect in the series, that done or not, go back to the drawing board and do some major rethinking. Rethinking not on strategy, but far more ground problems. Strategy is a far cry yet !
Else, the hits will just keep on coming.
aussie_beater
State Vice-Captain
Yeah, forgot about that one.... but that is the only other instance in modern cricket.
What internal problems?? the same side nearly won the match against Aus, its not a case of infighting and internal problems.
I believe the young side never showed the same spirit with which they played the first match, i guess they were demoralised after the loss.
Also, its a bad bad idea to play test matches with such an inexperianced team.Taufeeq and Faisal will probably be the stars of pak cricket in future but at present they are immature.Playing them along with senior batsmen is fine but to go into the match with a totally inexperianced batting line up is ridiculous!
age_master
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lol, Aust have not payed a test against Bangladesh yet
