***Official*** Australia in the West Indies 2012

[Migara]

these guys are seriously exciting prospects. could be anything

I know. But these guys running through SL middle order in three days twice with regularity is overblown.

 

[Prince EWS]

Is that only my self thinking that there has been a drop in spin playing standards?

No; not at all. I've had this conversation with Spark many times. The aversion to using one's feet other than when hitting over the top is a huge part of it.

in late 90s, bowler like Swann wouldn't have had this success I feel. generally any orthodox finger spinner was played with ease in that era.
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When some body mentiones Lyon being a good spinner I cannot help thinking along above lines.

I think you're taking it a little far with points like this though. You don't have to have a lot of unorthodox mystery about you to be a good spinner; orthodox methods have such broad appeal to bowlers because, funnily enough, they will work if you can execute them to elite standards. Swann is a good Test bowler and I firmly believe that with more experience - particularly in terms of workload - Lyon will be of a similar vintage. Test cricket never has and never will just be about presenting something beyond convention; there's a huge place in the game for the man who perfects the traditional arts.

 

[Prince EWS]

I know. But these guys running through SL middle order in three days twice with regularity is overblown.

No-one was actually saying they would, though. It was an example to show that what people were saying about Narine based on little to no useful evidence was unfounded.

 

[Spikey]

I reckon Lyon will become a quality bowler in time tbh. One because he has such a good action, gets good natural drop and turn, but also because he has guts, more so than most spinners I've seen in recent years. Always a good thing in a spinner, and in a cricketer in general.

with his recent performance he's up to 60.00% of his wickets being tailenders ftr. I would also say he's looking good for best number 11 ever, particularly given his one duck so far came batting at 9

#BowlerBasher

 

[Spark]

with his recent performance he's up to 60.00% of his wickets being tailenders ftr. I would also say he's looking good for best number 11 ever, particularly given his one duck so far came batting at 9

#BowlerBasher

and with this post the chances of lyon taking 7/50 in the next test with 5 top order wickets just shot up tenfold

 

[Spikey]

no he's not you dumbarse: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...ualval1=innings;template=results;type=batting

 

[Spikey]

and with this post the chances of lyon taking 7/50 in the next test with 5 top order wickets just shot up tenfold

tbf i've made that point like 5 times now and i'm also now saying it as a joke to piss PEWS off. i can't lose.

 

[Prince EWS]

and with this post the chances of lyon taking 7/50 in the next test with 5 top order wickets just shot up tenfold

As did the chances of him bagging a pair.

 

[TNT]

with his recent performance he's up to 60.00% of his wickets being tailenders ftr. I would also say he's looking good for best number 11 ever, particularly given his one duck so far came batting at 9

#BowlerBasher

West Indies could have done with a bowler who could take a tailend wicket in the first innings tbf.

 

[Spikey]

As did the chances of him bagging a pair.

if he has to go for 0/100 off 10 overs to avoid a pair then damnit he's going for 0/100

but just on the tailender thing, while he's cleaned up a few bowlers with gimmie wickets, and so he has a tad inflated average, he hasn't looked inept against middle order batsmen or anything. it's just a quriky stat i like, particularly given the contrast with bish00 who has like 55% of his wickets coming from the middle order. he also like lyon is a pretty gun number 11. they're so similar why do we keep on getting in srupid statwars about them just admire them damnit

 

[uvelocity]

As did the chances of him bagging a pair.

tbf I think the chances are related to how much effort spikey puts into the prediction.

ie a 1 liner like "watson will get 50 and out" is short enough so likely to come true.

But a 4 page essay written with passion, and citing facts is guaranteed to be immediately and embarrasingly proven wrong.

 

[Spark]

i don't think that even the powers of the hypnonev could stop watson getting 50 then out.

 

[Valer]

ie a 1 liner like "watson will get 50 and out" happens every time anyway...

ftfy

 

[Spikey]

tbf I think the chances are related to how much effort spikey puts into the prediction.

ie a 1 liner like "watson will get 50 and out" is short enough so likely to come true.

But a 4 page essay written with passion, and citing facts is guaranteed to be immediately and embarrasingly proven wrong.

God/PEWSbot clearly wants me to stick to humour

 

[uvelocity]

god/pewsbot is easily amused

 

[WindieWeathers]

Answer to both questions is the same though.

If you haven't been watching WI over the past 18 months? yes, but hey you support England and we all know your lot done much better than us against Ajmal and co didn't they? .

 

[WindieWeathers]

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Australian spinners have struggled but I'm yet to see where the WI spinners have done anything at all outside the WI's.

Erm Narine was the best spinner and top two bowler overall in the last champions league which was in IN INDIA!! , his West Indies debut wasn't bad either which was also in India!!..

 

[marc71178]

Erm Narine was the best spinner and top two bowler overall in the last champions league which was in IN INDIA!! , his West Indies debut wasn't bad either which was also in India!!..

Relevance to Tests?

 

[WindieWeathers]

I think you're taking it a little far with points like this though. You don't have to have a lot of unorthodox mystery about you to be a good spinner; orthodox methods have such broad appeal to bowlers because, funnily enough, they will work if you can execute them to elite standards. Swann is a good Test bowler and I firmly believe that with more experience - particularly in terms of workload - Lyon will be of a similar vintage. Test cricket never has and never will just be about presenting something beyond convention; there's a huge place in the game for the man who perfects the traditional arts.

Imo the guy just doesn't have enough tricks up his sleeve to be effective against the best teams, sure he may learn in the future but when i saw Narine and him on the same pitch the other day the difference in class was massive, and Narine is younger than him!! , Swann always had star quality but just couldn't settle down in his younger days, i don't see Lyon reaching that level to be honest.

 

[burr]

Impressive captaincy by Clarke, and an extremely impressive victory.