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***Official*** Australia in New Zealand

shaka

International Regular
NZ had the jitters of the first game, but slowly fought there way back, Australian bowling line up will need years in order to regather the ability to hold the bowling together once McGrath retires. The weakness of their bowling lineup without Lee / McGrath was really evident in the last two matches.
 

Slow Love™

International Captain
social said:
Cameron White bowled with a wet ball in foreign conditions against a team going for quick runs.

Despite going for a few runs, he fooled Hamish Marshall with a wrong'un and bowled him.

Not a great debut but he's very young and will improve.
Not quite his debut, but it must have felt like one, after playing so little part in his previous games. I've been confused by how Ponting's treated him up to this point, because so far his selection has had a real fifth wheel feel to it.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
What a chase... Well done Kiwis... Hopefully, this will give them some confidence back. They have been getting pasted by the Aussies. Not that it is only them, but they have generally done reasonably (and relatively) well against Australia and their rotten run was worrying me. Here's to a healthy Kiwi side. :)
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Excellent run chase. My God McCullum was amazing. Those lofted shots over extra cover for 4s and 6s were just brilliant. An amazing world record breaking chase. Styris was brilliant too. And finally Hamish Marshall scored :D

And Hussey... my God. Just amazing.

A bit odd that people are already discarding Clarke now. He's not chosen as a specialist spinner, as Faaip said, its just one aspect to his game. I do think many Victorians overrate him with the ball, but he's much better than what he showed today. Plus his batting and fielding makes him a very good young cricketer. He's also already captaining Victoria at such a young age. Bright future IMO.

Also Bracken bowled brilliantly today. He really swings that white ball a lot, and accurately too. Good ODI bowler. Not as good as his average shows though :p

*Runs from Nnanden* ;)
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
ClownSymonds said:
Australia has depth - more than any other team, really - but not THAT much.
Erm the results when missing the big 2 in Tests or a couple in ODIs suggest that they don't actually have the depth.
 

Slow Love™

International Captain
marc71178 said:
Erm the results when missing the big 2 in Tests or a couple in ODIs suggest that they don't actually have the depth.
That's an interesting point. They're of course noticably weakened if you take out the top two or three bowlers in the country, but that's true of all teams. Out of curiosity, how many nations would you say have a greater bowling depth than Australia?
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
marc71178 said:
Erm the results when missing the big 2 in Tests or a couple in ODIs suggest that they don't actually have the depth.
Yeah but that's silly isn't it, because you're removing one or two all-time great bowlers, and putting in their place promising or very good domestic bowlers. That would hurt any team at a great level, even greater if you removed any two best bowlers from other teams. Take away Vaas and Murali from SL, Harmison and Flintoff from Eng, Akhtar and Kaneria from Pak (If we're only talking ODIs, then maybe Afridi or Rana), or Harbhajan and Kumble for India. I reckon Australia are best equipped to handle their top players being rested or injured, but it is just over exaggerated because you go from absolute greats to promising.
 

MoxPearl

State Vice-Captain
your right aussie...

I guess im just used to rugby.. new zealand could prolly field 4 all black teams that would wipe the floor with any of the top 4 countries.. and we could prolly field about 10 who would destory the rest..

For cricket.. no country has that kinda depth... well i suppose in rugby no other country has that depth easier..

I dont know its 4:20am so i better stop rambling :P
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Lol its 2:20 am here, I'm working tomorrow (granted midday start) and I have no idea why I am still awake. I've had a day choc full of cricket (Played for my club, watched NZ vs. Aus and Eng vs. Pak and followed Ind vs. SL on the internet), yet I'm still on this board talking more about cricket. :p
 

greg

International Debutant
Slow Love™ said:
That's an interesting point. They're of course noticably weakened if you take out the top two or three bowlers in the country, but that's true of all teams. Out of curiosity, how many nations would you say have a greater bowling depth than Australia?
This is a slightly misleading point. The whole reason "lack of a depth" is a cited as a problem for Australia is because of the presumption, accurate or otherwise, that it is a problem that will need confronting in the very near future.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Once again, its stupid to criticise Australia's bowling depth because they have to replace two all-time greats in the near future. Of course anyone that replaces them will look far inferior... because they are. But that's cricket, and whilst it'll probably result in a fall in Australia's dominance in cricket, it doesn't change the fact that they still have the best bowling depth in the world.
 

greg

International Debutant
Jono said:
Once again, its stupid to criticise Australia's bowling depth because they have to replace two all-time greats in the near future. Of course anyone that replaces them will look far inferior... because they are. But that's cricket, and whilst it'll probably result in a fall in Australia's dominance in cricket, it doesn't change the fact that they still have the best bowling depth in the world.
I think England's is at least their equal. And younger.
 

Slow Love™

International Captain
greg said:
This is a slightly misleading point. The whole reason "lack of a depth" is a cited as a problem for Australia is because of the presumption, accurate or otherwise, that it is a problem that will need confronting in the very near future.
Not in this conversation. ClownSymonds just suggested that although Australia may have had the best bowling depth in the world, it wasn't THAT much - to which Marc replied that indications were that they didn't have "the depth".

I still don't know how that makes my point misleading though. I'm not sure I even made one (that wasn't completely obvious anyway), apart from asking a question I suspected Marc would be reluctant to answer.
 

howardj

International Coach
Little wonder we lost today.

Have a look at our bowling line-up.

Bracken, Clark, Johnson, Lewis, White, Symonds.
 

greg

International Debutant
Slow Love™ said:
Not in this conversation. ClownSymonds just suggested that although Australia may have had the best bowling depth in the world, it wasn't THAT much - to which Marc replied that indications were that they didn't have "the depth".

I still don't know how that makes my point misleading though. I'm not sure I even made one (that wasn't completely obvious anyway), apart from asking a question I suspected Marc would be reluctant to answer.
Fair enough. Although if Stuart Clark is near the top of the list of reserves then i think Marc could probably make a pretty good case. The cynic would say that Australia's "depth" consists of

Stuart MacGill.

If this conversation was about onedayers, which it probably was, then i withdraw completely and apologise for intruding.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
greg said:
I think England's is at least their equal. And younger.
yea thats true when Pigeon & Warne go, england will with Harmy, Jones, Hoggard & Freddie , Gilo plus good youngsters i.e Plunks, Anderson, Tremlett, Harrison, Loudon, Swann, Francis(probably) & who has you said are younger than australia's should have the best bowling depth in world cricket.
 
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greg

International Debutant
aussie said:
yea thats true when Pigeon & Warne go, england will with Harmy, Jones, Hoggard & Freddie , Gilo plus good youngsters i.e Plunks, Tremlett, Harrison, Loudon, Swann, Francis(probably) & who has you said are younger than australia's should have the best bowling depth in world cricket.
Don't forget Lancashire's finest ;)
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
howardj said:
Little wonder we lost today.

Have a look at our bowling line-up.

Bracken, Clark, Johnson, Lewis, White, Symonds.
Symo part timer while Johnson is the future & not yet really part of australia back-up, while White is still learning his craft.

Australia backup behind the likes of Pigeon, Bing, Warne, Macgill are:

Bracken
Dizzy
Kasper
Clark
Tait
Lewis
Cullen
 

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