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**Official** Australia in India Thread

masterblaster

International Captain
Still can't really understand why Ajit Agarkar cannot find a way into the playing XI. Agarkar's record against the Aussies is outstanding compared with Zaheer who just continues to have dismal games against them.

The Australian's really do respect Agarkar's bowling as he's had a lot of success against them, and that should clearly send a signal out to Ganguly to play Agarkar.
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
I totally agree.

Honestly Master, whenever Zaheer bowled a ball I had no confidence at all that he would pick up a wicket. Not to compare to him to the great McGrath or Gillespie, but whenever they bowled I felt something was going to happen. Even with Pathan I was on the edge of my seat ready for a wicket. Same can be said with our spinners and Warney. But whenever Zaheer stepped up to bowl, I just had no confidence in him at all. I don't know why he lost his way, but he did and it's disappointing that India go up against the best team in the world without our best bowlers.
 

masterblaster

International Captain
Yeah Jono,

Zaheer is really just feeding off his past successes when he was in the best shape of his life and in prime form. He gives me the impression of a washed up cricketer to be honest and there seems no element of longevity about his bowling or his cricket in general.

Agarkar on the other hand is fit, has a brilliant record against Australia and swings the ball more than Zaheer ever could. He'll be confident against the Aussies too after his 6/40 in Adelaide and 6/42 at the MCG in an ODI.
 

Scallywag

Banned
masterblaster said:
Still can't really understand why Ajit Agarkar cannot find a way into the playing XI. Agarkar's record against the Aussies is outstanding compared with Zaheer who just continues to have dismal games against them.

The Australian's really do respect Agarkar's bowling as he's had a lot of success against them, and that should clearly send a signal out to Ganguly to play Agarkar.
Agarkar has taken 4 wickets for 300 runs in his last 3 tests against Australia and overall averages 34 against Australia.

Definiately not india's best option.
 

V Reddy

International Debutant
Scallywag said:
Agarkar has taken 4 wickets for 300 runs in his last 3 tests against Australia and overall averages 34 against Australia.

Definiately not india's best option.
I remember him taking 6 wkts in the 2nd test in Aus and since he didn't play this first test , that one at the least must have been the first one of the last three :p
 

SquidAU

First Class Debutant
Zaheer definately needs to go. He did not look even remotely threatening in the first test. Agarker is a much better option, considering he can bat as well.

As for the openers problem, I just don't think Yuvraj can do it. He has enough problems with McGrath as it is. Just seems to be an nice early wicket for the Aussies!
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Scallywag said:
Agarkar has taken 4 wickets for 300 runs in his last 3 tests against Australia and overall averages 34 against Australia.

Definiately not india's best option.
Classic case of selective use of statistics to create a wrong impression.

Here are Agarkar's bowling figures for the last FOUR matches against Australia in the last series down under. Figures in brackets are of other pacers who played that match.

1st test 3/90 and 1/45 (Zaheer 5 /95 & 0/15, Nehra 0/51 & 1/89)
2nd Test 2/119 & 6/41 (Nehra 2/115 & 1/21, Pathan 1/136 & 0/24)
3rd Test 3/115 & 1/25 (Zaheer 0/103 , Nehra 0/90 & 0/16)
4th Test 0/116 & 0/45 ( Pathan 2/80 & 1/26)

Clearly he had only one bad match, the last test. For the first three matches and for the series as a whole he was India's best pacer. If this series has to be the criteria, Agarkar should actually be the first choice amongst all of them :-O :-O :-O

Its amazing how we allow our fixed ideas to make us imagine, distort and fabricate information !
 

JustTool

State 12th Man
Finally, someone is standing up to the Aussies inexorable sledging. And, guess what, they can't take it and went crying to the referees. Let's hear the McGrath defense again on what he did to Sarwan and then reconcile with this whining :-)

Singh gives better than he gets
Comment by Ray Chesterton
October 14, 2004


I WOULD rather have a CD of Australia's batsmen being sledged by an Indian bowler than a newly discovered cache of lost Johnny Cash recordings.

It must have been fabulous.

But what on earth could Indian off-spinner Sikh Harbhajan Singh possibly have said that irked Australia so much in the first Test at Bangalore?

And how on earth did they understand what Harbhajan was saying in a local dialect?

Further investigation is obviously needed. A case of Sikh and ye shall find. Ouch. Even I wince at that one.

The clashes happened as Australia used its second innings to build a massive total to crush India and lead one-nil.

Highly combative Harbhajan was so enthusiastic about upsetting Australia he even sledged batsmen as he ran in to bowl.

And the stunned Australians are ropeable. They say such behaviour should be Singh's swansong unless he behaves. In the apparently harmonious world of cricket verbal exchanges, he is simply a discordant note.

I think it is deliciously and wonderfully ironic. How magnificently humiliating for the Australians to admit they have been bettered by a glib, more facile tongue.

Harbhajan has grabbed a kangaroo by the tail and is not letting go. He took 11 wickets in the first Test so he won't alter his style.

Now the abashed Australian players have asked administrators for relief from Singh's verbal aggression.

Turn it up.

Australia has bullied and intimidated opposing teams for decades. They know more about standover tactics than the mafia.

They would have sledged Mother Teresa if she looked like making runs.

Now someone has challenged what they thought was their exclusive heritage.

Harbhajan's approach was as "in-your-face" as anything Australia has ever conceived.

At one stage he even led the applause for Shane Warne conceding a century of runs in the Test.

"You don't mind getting sledged but he seems to be going non-stop all day," whined McGrath, apparently under the impression there is some sort of Marquis of Queensbury rules, and even a timetable, about fair play when sledging.

Australia's Damien Martyn complained to umpires about Harbhajan's behaviour adding just a touch of pots, kettles and the colour black.

Before Australia clashed with Harbhajan, their bilingual skills seemed to be as elusive as McGrath making his maiden Test century.

But they must have understood what was being said, even though the shrieking Sikh is thought to use local dialect as his verbal weapon of choice.

Australia's free-wheeling use of sledging has been detrimental to its overwhelming record of success for a long time.

It is poor sportsmanship and dilutes cricket's character.

It is unlikely Singh will cause Australia to re-think its use of sledging. But he is at least able to give as good as he gets.

chestertonr@dailytelegraph.com.au
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
Dasa said:
Looks like Chopra is out - Yuvraj to open with Sehwag and Kaif coming into the middle order
Replace an underperforming specialist opener with an underperforming middle order man.

Hmmm...
 

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
Harbhajan is an absolute time-bomb.
There was an airport program screened in NZ 2 years ago when India toured here. One show had the Indian Cricket teams arrival & Harbhajan throwing his toys out of the cot because NZ have high restrictions on anything like mud on boots coming into the country.

I was absolutely appalled by his attitude & behaviour. He basically said he never wanted to come back to NZ.
Ever since then I've always hoped he'd get back what he gives.
 

JustTool

State 12th Man
Tim said:
Harbhajan is an absolute time-bomb.
There was an airport program screened in NZ 2 years ago when India toured here. One show had the Indian Cricket teams arrival & Harbhajan throwing his toys out of the cot because NZ have high restrictions on anything like mud on boots coming into the country.

I was absolutely appalled by his attitude & behaviour. He basically said he never wanted to come back to NZ.
Ever since then I've always hoped he'd get back what he gives.
I agree. He needs to grow up and act more mature. In his defence he may be only 20 and you should see the things some teams do in, and say about, India. 8-)
 

Tim

Cricketer Of The Year
I just thought it was ridiculous considering he was entering the country of his coach John Wright, that he would show more respect.

Im sure it's the same thing in India with other teams touring. But im not surprised to hear about Harbhajan sledging while he's running into bowl or generally being annoying after seeing him in action on that television show.
 

viktor

State Vice-Captain
Scallywag said:
No wonder they lost the test match if sledging was their priority.

BTW it really put McGrath off his bowling.
what makes you think it was a priority? I think McGrath only talked about BHajji and he actually didn't do too badly in the match.
As for McGrath being put off, he didn't face any sledging, he was talking about Marto being sledged at...
 

telsor

U19 12th Man
My understanding is that after all the complaints, the Australians have cut back their sledging a great deal ( some say eliminated, but I find that hard to believe ), particularly since Ponting took over.

Assuming that is the case, I think it's quite reasonable for Aus to complain...If they're not allowed to do it, why should others be allowed to do it to them?
 

Mister Wright

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
telsor said:
My understanding is that after all the complaints, the Australians have cut back their sledging a great deal ( some say eliminated, but I find that hard to believe ), particularly since Ponting took over.

Assuming that is the case, I think it's quite reasonable for Aus to complain...If they're not allowed to do it, why should others be allowed to do it to them?

I'd be very surprised if the sledging has been cut back especially under Ponting.
 

Son Of Coco

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
broncoman said:
Hodge got the call up because they wanted a number 3 batsman, Symonds should have been in the squad somewhere, but i dont know where...
Unfortunately for him, he had his chance in SL and didn't take it. I think he's a very good player, but seems to perform better in the one-dayers. The state of the team at the moment suggests that when you get your chance after waiting for so long you have to take it. It's not 1986 anymore........otherwise he would have been given a number of chances no doubt to improve on his start. The funny thing is, that if Steve Waugh came in now and started the way he did back then he would find himself in the same position as Lehmann/Martyn/Hayden etc etc did in that he'd be waiting a long time for another chance.
 

Son Of Coco

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Tim said:
I just thought it was ridiculous considering he was entering the country of his coach John Wright, that he would show more respect.

Im sure it's the same thing in India with other teams touring. But im not surprised to hear about Harbhajan sledging while he's running into bowl or generally being annoying after seeing him in action on that television show.
Isn't it a no-ball (or dead ball) if a player on the fielding team talks while the bowler is running in to bowl, including the bowler himself!? Surely, if this is happening, it couldn't go unnoticed by the umpy? The Australian batsmen should simply pull away and point out that the bowler is talking on his way in........and ask the umpires to take the gum out of their ears. Either that, or smack one back at Harbajan while he's got his mouth open.
 

Sehwag309

Banned
Amazing, you guys are behaving as if u' ve never seen the Auzzies sledging or opening their mouth..so if someone else does it, you bounce back and question it? Great

I am proud Harbhajan did it and look forward for more..oh Thanx to the Auzzies for showing the world how to sledge
 

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