**Official** Australia in India Thread

[FaaipDeOiad]

The decisions have been shocking and generally all gone against India and that is a major factor in their defeat. If your an India supporter, there is every right to be p*ssed of with the umpiring.

There have been a few poor decisions, yes. I think the Clarke decision was close and probably should have been out, while Chopra was dead on. Sehwag should have been not out, same with Langer in the Australian second innings, and Patel should have been out twice during the first innings. Where are the rest of the shocking decisions that go against India? Two letoffs, one dodgy wicket taken, one dodgy wicket given up and one excellent shout that was turned down.

This might be evidence of some poor umpiring, but it is not evidence of a bias and it is certainly not a significant reason for the loss. The reasons for India losing are two magnificent centuries, some great bowling from McGrath, Kasprowicz and Warne and some poor batting from India.

 

[Dasa]

Err yea, India head towards a 250-300 run defeat and it's all the umpires fault. The best teams nearly always make the most of the things that go their way and when people look it afterwards come up with stuff like 'such and such umpire cost us 59 runs with Clarke' whereas India made less of their extra lives, so at the end of it all the best teams appear to be 'luckier'.

Why do people generalise so much? NOT ALL INDIAN FANS ARE THE SAME! I get sick of this attitude. We do not all think it was the umpires fault, however, even the most biased Aussie would have to admit the umpiring was less than perfect!
Yes, the Aussies played much better, and India deserved to lose, but that doesn't mean we can't complain about some dodgy decisions.
Geez I wish more of the 'impartial' people on the board were like JASON... wonderful post there, thank you for the support.

Hawkeye isnt the answer to the LBW question in its present state, Hawkeye is currently an aid for commentators and spectators...people on here are saying taht technology should be used..no-one has really come up with a solution.

As I have mentioned before, the HawkEye seen on TV is not the full product. It is capable of much more accuracy. The TV version is just dressed up so it's easier for the public to understand it.

 

[Dar]

It's comments like that that cast a very bad light on Indian supporters. You make Indian supporters in general look like sore losers and bad sportsmen when it is surely not the case.

It's one thing to be annoyed with some bad decisions; it's another for so many people to come onto the forum getting personally abusive, or just downright annoying with the incessant berating of the umpires who have done their best.

As for what you said about Marc, maybe you should practice what you preach, because at least he has the sense to be objective and less irritating.

So all supporters should accept bad decisions at crucial times and be objective and say oh well the umpires are doing their best. Thats nonsense its only natural to get annoyed when everything seems to go against your team.

And India haven't played well enough to deserve to win this test and i'm the first to admit when they are playing badly. But i will leave this game wondering what would have happened if the umpiring was any good because at the moment Australia's cause has been helped by the Bowden and Bucknor, they may have still won but that doesn't stop my frustration. And when people come and say stop complaining about umpires its even more annoying. If the same happened to Australia, i would understand if every aussie had a good old bitch

 

[Mr Casson]

So all supporters should accept bad decisions at crucial times and be objective and say oh well the umpires are doing their best. Thats nonsense its only natural to get annoyed when everything seems to go against your team.

You seem to think that they are mutually exclusive. Yes it's natural to be annoyed, but you should still accept the decision, and you should still say that the umpires are doing their best.

You could learn something from Virender Sehwag. HE was one person who was affected by a bad decision, but HE got over it, and here you are carrying on like the town fool.

 

[SJS]

India has serious problems here.

Chopra seems to think that if you just play forward and pad up to in coming deliveries, umpire will give you a 'doubtful benefit'. Unfortunately the umpires are not from the 70's or from Delhi.

Sehwag plays his strokes totally ignoring the presence of the short mid wicket and short extra cover and its clear to every bowler and captain.

Yuvraj can drive half volleys like a dream but no one seems to have taught him how to deal with a good length ball slightly outside the offf stump and its clear to every bowler.

Ganguly runs for anything he plays in front of the wicket and rest is upto the Gods.

Laxman is cool, relaxed , its like net practice for him. Play strokes with gay abandon. If you get out, no problem, there's another day.

Dravid, Pathan and Patel (Kumble to an extent ) seem to be the only ones playing in a test with some stakes to play for.

Its very disappointing. Where is team India ??

 

[Sehwag309]

The fact is India didn't play well at all, but the bad umpiring is also an issue on the side.

What are we ? Saints? just keep quiet, coz its always the Indians who get those bad decisions..Luck, Bias whatever...one can't take way the fact coz few Neutral or Auzzie fans say it wasn't bad umpiring(infact in few apeals, it seemed the auzzies were demanding bowden.. )..its there to see on replays and TVs...and it amazes me when some peple just give their opinion by just following cricinfo

The thing is we wouldhave lost this test anyways, its only that we could have lost by fewer runs...so we'll see next test match with diff umpires, diff game..kapish

 

[Scaly piscine]

Why do people generalise so much? NOT ALL INDIAN FANS ARE THE SAME! I get sick of this attitude.

You are obviously paranoid, I was in the main replying Dar's post #871 and addressing any others wishing to blame India's probable defeat on the umpires I did not refer to Indian fans in general at all.

 

[JASON]

I think when Fans are upset ****ed about umpiring etc. they are entitled to let their steam off in a forum like this. I think its only fair to allow fans that privledge!!

 

[Dasa]

Scaly piscine, you're right, I am paranoid, because I do see a lot of generalising, and I've learnt that to take things on face value is qutie foolish much of the time. By the way, you used the word 'people', you didn't specifically refer to anyone. You can see how that can lead to me thinking you generalised about all Indian fans, can't you?

 

[SJS]

4 inches isnt that much you know,especially when viewing from over 22 yards away,and there is bat and pad flying around all over the place.

It was not just 4 inches. The ball deviated at almost 90 degrees to the line of delivery and crashed into the pad at an angle as if thrown from point. I have umpired in league games and I am sorry , this was not something you dont see from 22 yards. Yes it was a genuine mistake, I accept that but it was a bad mistake.

 

[Jnr.]

The possibility gould be is that they did not notice it either..

All of them didn't notice?

Very unlikely.

 

[Dar]

India has serious problems here.

Chopra seems to think that if you just play forward and pad up to in coming deliveries, umpire will give you a 'doubtful benefit'. Unfortunately the umpires are not from the 70's or from Delhi.

Sehwag plays his strokes totally ignoring the presence of the short mid wicket and short extra cover and its clear to every bowler and captain.

Yuvraj can drive half volleys like a dream but no one seems to have taught him how to deal with a good length ball slightly outside the offf stump and its clear to every bowler.

Ganguly runs for anything he plays in front of the wicket and rest is upto the Gods.

Laxman is cool, relaxed , its like net practice for him. Play strokes with gay abandon. If you get out, no problem, there's another day.

Dravid, Pathan and Patel (Kumble to an extent ) seem to be the only ones playing in a test with some stakes to play for.

Its very disappointing. Where is team India ??

Unfortunately i agree with you. Mcgrath must think Yuvraj is a dream to bowl at and Chopra does seem to be very limited. Both need to go away and work on their technique. The batting is now becoming a major concern, the sooner Sachin gets back the better, i would have never guessed they'd miss him this much

 

[tooextracool]

Read my post! God this is frustrating! I said that the innings was not one of the best player of spin. Have you seen the innings, can you comment? It was a disgraceful innings. By no way did I incur that he had problems against spin, nor did I infur he should be dropped. All I said was that innings was not one of the player of spin. Understand?

no all you said was that he should be 'worried' about his place in the side, when in fact he shouldnt be......and 'that was not an innings of the best player of spin' can be applied to any batsman that plays poorly when hes out of form, so the comment is outright ludicrous.

 

[maxpower]

holy crap just checked the scorecard, this is outrageous, how can laxman get out to warne twice in a match ????

 

[Arjun]

Unfortunately i agree with you. Mcgrath must think Yuvraj is a dream to bowl at and Chopra does seem to be very limited. Both need to go away and work on their technique. The batting is now becoming a major concern, the sooner Sachin gets back the better, i would have never guessed they'd miss him this much

Not if the bat like this- even if Sachin returns, it will make little difference. Remember the Asia Cup? His presence didny help them at all! In fact, McGrath will be licking his lips when Sachin gets back.

 

[Arjun]

Its very disappointing. Where is team India ??

You mean Team BCCI? It's really, really bad inside. Full of scams. One needs to send a sting journalist and expose all the under-table deals that are going on. Why a nation of over a billion can only stick with 11 average cricketers and nobody else is a mystery.

 

[Arjun]

Unfortunately i agree with you. Mcgrath must think Yuvraj is a dream to bowl at and Chopra does seem to be very limited. Both need to go away and work on their technique. The batting is now becoming a major concern, the sooner Sachin gets back the better, i would have never guessed they'd miss him this much

Then who will open the innings? At least one genuine opener has to stay.

 

[marc71178]

I am sure you would like to but since you have never had a job in your life - I don't think so.

Is this the good old "I'm losing the argument big time, so I'll respond with an insult" tactic?

 

[marc71178]

I wouldn't be stupid enough to not use technology.

If only it were that simple

LBW is a judgement call which the umpire is better placed to make.

 

[marc71178]

You make a fair point when you say "keep the game natural", but if you say that then does that mean you are against the use of video in stumping/run outs?You can't make a claim for both cases.

Oh you can, because run outs are pure and simple facts that can be proven by a replay.

Snicks cannot.