**Official** Australia in India Thread

[marc71178]

I think what we need is some more extensive trials. Perhaps in some of those largely meaningless ODI tournaments the ICC could trial the use of HawkEye in every LBW appeal. It'd be a much more useful innovation than having the third umpire calling no-balls as they did in the Champions Trophy.

But the thing that is being overlooked is that Hawkeye is far from perfect and LBW is a judgement call.

A no ball or run out is not.

 

[marc71178]

Hopefully the Indians will field the same bowling lineup in the next match, and give more overs to Sehwag.

Why Sehwag when Kumble and Singh have bowled well?

Another all rounder you're trying to create from someone who isn't?

 

[marc71178]

McGrath's figures as Yuvraj falls: 6-5-1-2 (!)

Not bad...

All luck...

 

[marc71178]

I wish Marc770920978273 would shut the f*ck up, whenever someone complains about umpiring he always jumps in saying to stop blaming umpires.

Well sorry for defending 2 people who have an extremely tough job and make a couple of mistakes. I bet just about every player makes a much higher percentage of mistakes in a game.

The decisions have been shocking and generally all gone against India and that is a major factor in their defeat. If your an India supporter, there is every right to be p*ssed of with the umpiring.

And ignpre the fact that the team has been outplayed?

That is a far more major factor.

 

[marc71178]

Dont worry india pakistan will get revenge in december against the aussies

Like they did in the Netherlands you mean?

 

[marc71178]

Why do people generalise so much? NOT ALL INDIAN FANS ARE THE SAME! I get sick of this attitude. We do not all think it was the umpires fault, however, even the most biased Aussie would have to admit the umpiring was less than perfect!

Yes, but the fact is it's been less than perfect against both sides, yet people only see the ones that hurt themselves.

 

[isuru]

Oh you can, because run outs are pure and simple facts that can be proven by a replay.

Snicks cannot.

Oh, but run outs and stumpings are not always pure and simple facts that can be proven by a replay, there have been many doubtful ones. As I said before, you cannot completely remove any doubt. But, I would argue that about 90% of run out cases can be judged correctly with the use of video.

By hat same token, I am not saying that all snicks etc will be correctly judged, but I still think the use of video + say a snick-o-meter will result in more correct decisions than using the naked eye in an instant alone. I mean at the moment, umpires must watch the arm to make sure it is not a throw, watch the back foot to make sure it is not too wide, watch the fornt foot to make sure it is not over the popping crease and then make a judgement on the delivery - all this in a matter of seconds.

 

[isuru]

Well sorry for defending 2 people who have an extremely tough job and make a couple of mistakes. I bet just about every player makes a much higher percentage of mistakes in a game.

Exactly, why not make their jobs at least a little bit easier with the help of video + audio?

 

[marc71178]

Oh, but run outs and stumpings are not always pure and simple facts that can be proven by a replay, there have been many doubtful ones. As I said before, you cannot completely remove any doubt. But, I would argue that about 90% of run out cases can be judged correctly with the use of video.

Erm no, there is almost never a run out that cannot be judged by the cameras.

Because they are a pure and simple fact-based issue.

 

[marc71178]

Exactly, why not make their jobs at least a little bit easier with the help of video + audio?

So how exactly do they take advantage of these aids?

Carry TV's with them?

 

[isuru]

I'm not annoyed at the umpires making mistakes, because I aknowledge they have a tough job.
But surely if they have a tough job, we should be looking to make their jobs easier? I'm more annoyed at the fact that there is some technology (NOT HawkEye - yet) that can be used, but is not being used. There are umpires who make mistakes (some obvious ones at that), but then come out and say that we don't need to use technology. Now that annoys me because they've made mistakes yet they don't want something that will help reduce their mistakes.

 

[isuru]

Erm no, there is almost never a run out that cannot be judged by the cameras.

Because they are a pure and simple fact-based issue.

Ok fair enough, me pulling a figure like 90% out of thin air was wrong. And you are right about run outs being easir to judge than LBW's or nicks. But the point I'm making is that using video + audio to judge LBW's and nicks would make it easier to make a correct decision than the use of the real time naked eye alone, would you not agree with that?

 

[isuru]

So how exactly do they take advantage of these aids?

Carry TV's with them?

Well why not have a similar system that is currentyl in use for run outs? (ie a third umpire), or a system similar to that used to determine if the bal ltouched the rope or not when going for a four?

 

[isuru]

But the thing that is being overlooked is that Hawkeye is far from perfect and LBW is a judgement call.

Exactly, an LBW is a judgement call. Now surely it is easier to make a judgement call like that based on video than with a naked in real time alone?

 

[marc71178]

Well why not have a similar system that is currentyl in use for run outs? (ie a third umpire), or a system similar to that used to determine if the bal ltouched the rope or not when going for a four?

Because those aren't judgement calls that the umpire is in the best place to make.

They can be proven by the video.

 

[Dar]

Well sorry for defending 2 people who have an extremely tough job and make a couple of mistakes. I bet just about every player makes a much higher percentage of mistakes in a game.

And ignpre the fact that the team has been outplayed?

That is a far more major factor.

You act like your part of the ICC or something or you have personally appointed them. We as fans have every right to come and bitch about the umpiring especially since its the internet. Yes they have tough jobs but that doesn't stop me from complaining.

And your acting like i solely blame the bad decisions for the defeat. I said they were a major factor but yes i agree India have been outplayed but that they still could have at least drawn the game and as a passionate fan i feel agrieved. Life would be pretty boring if we accepted every decison and just said "they have a tough job leave them alone"

 

[isuru]

Because those aren't judgement calls that the umpire is in the best place to make.

Exactly, an LBW is a judgement call. Now surely it is easier to make a judgement call like that based on video than with a naked in real time alone?

 

[JustTool]

I wish Marc770920978273 would shut the f*ck up, whenever someone complains about umpiring he always jumps in saying to stop blaming umpires. The decisions have been shocking and generally all gone against India and that is a major factor in their defeat. If your an India supporter, there is every right to be p*ssed of with the umpiring.

I agree with those saying Yuvraj should be dropped, as much as i like him as a player he's not good enough for tests. Mongia or Kaif should come in if Sachin still isn't fit

Finally, someone who is posting with objectivity and sense

 

[superkingdave]

You act like your part of the ICC or something or you have personally appointed them. We as fans have every right to come and bitch about the umpiring especially since its the internet. Yes they have tough jobs but that doesn't stop me from complaining.

And your acting like i solely blame the bad decisions for the defeat. I said they were a major factor but yes i agree India have been outplayed but that they still could have at least drawn the game and as a passionate fan i feel agrieved. Life would be pretty boring if we accepted every decison and just said "they have a tough job leave them alone"

even if EVERY decision was 100% correct in the match you would still have lost it IMO

 

[JustTool]

Is this the good old "I'm losing the argument big time, so I'll respond with an insult" tactic?

Did anyone say anything to you ? Perhaps you are looking for some attention. OK, I will oblige with this post