**Official** Australia in India Thread

[Sehwag309]

Just enjoy Australia take apart India FRAZ. Im sure you like watching that.

No Man, Fraz is fair guy IMO..he is a Psyhic if you don't know

FRAZ BABA, tell me, will Indian media complain like the Pak media did on BBC, CNN after Shepherd's bad Umpiring

 

[JustTool]

Commenataors a.ka..Dean jones...Chopra/Sehwag not out..Auzzies get lucky!..too bad

Dean Jones is on the money. He recalls where Symonds was given out in Sri Lanka (with an insdie edge) and the Australians talked to SL and the SriLankan's called Symonds back. Quote he says "The Australian knew damn well that Sehwag had got an edge and they still appealed and never called him back"

By the way for all you narrow-minded people on the Board who are more worried about Nationalities note that DJ is Australian and he says both Sehwag and Chopra were not-out LBW.

'Nuff said. Game, set and match.

 

[Mr Casson]

Isuru, you make a good point and I concede that I embellished the problems a bit.

But you can't argue that even this technology that is supposedly capable of showing what the ball would do is limited to just the factors that it is programmed to accommodate.

No doubt, they'd be pretty accurate, but these factors that the computer doesn't take into account can be noticed by the umpires. Therefore, why not just leave the decision wholly with the umpires?

 

[FRAZ]

No one is denying the Indians are playing poorly. The batting has been pitiful. But don't dismiss poor umpiring and sweep it under the carpet. Whether its against the Aussies or Indians, shocking umpiring has occurred in this test match from two of the most experienced and (until recently) most acclaimed umpires in cricket. There's a problem here. Fair enough its tough deciding when balls are going over the stumps or not, but that inside edge was absolutely huge. Bring back the mics, for the good of cricket.

Two "teams" have played poorly in this match. The Indian cricket team, and the umpires. For people who are considered the third team, they're definitely out of form. I would be saying the EXACT same thing if the Aussies were losing, and I know you Australians would be saying the same thing too.

And pitty is that The third match will be supervised by a Pakistani umpire .... LOL... This is going to be interesting ..... Poor guy is dead for sure .....

 

[Jono]

Dean Jones is on the money. He recalls where Symonds was given out in Sri Lanka (with an insdie edge) and the Australians talked to SL and the SriLankan's called Symonds back. Quote he says "The Australian knew damn well that Sehwag had got an edge and they still appealed and never called him back"

By the way for all you narrow-minded people on the Board who are more worried about Nationalities note that DJ is Australian and he says both Sehwag and Chopra were not-out LBW.

'Nuff said. Game, set and match.

JustTool that's an excellent point. Sri Lanka allowed Symonds back, and this is EXACTLY the same situation.

 

[JustTool]

No Man, Fraz is fair guy IMO..he is a Psyhic if you don't know

FRAZ BABA, tell me, will Indian media complain like the Pak media did on BBC, CNN after Shepherd's bad Umpiring

Fraz is a complete psychic (excuse the mis-spelling). He is also judge and jury. He knows everything and his cynicism should not be held against him

 

[Sehwag309]

And pitty is that The third match will be supervised by a Pakistani umpire .... LOL... This is going to be interesting ..... Poor guy is dead for sure .....

I think he will be pretty good as he understands sub-continent pitches..plus Aleem Dar is a good Umpire, no kidding

 

[Mr Casson]

Dean Jones is on the money. He recalls where Symonds was given out in Sri Lanka (with an insdie edge) and the Australians talked to SL and the SriLankan's called Symonds back. Quote he says "The Australian knew damn well that Sehwag had got an edge and they still appealed and never called him back"

Even so, that kind of action is entirely at the discretion of the fielding side. It's not actually required of them; just like walking when you know you are out.

 

[FRAZ]

FRAZ BABA, tell me, will Indian media complain like the Pak media did on BBC, CNN after Shepherd's bad Umpiring

They are doing it right now Cricketweb.net.. just recently ....Bacha Baba sahi bolat hai na

 

[Dasa]

I haven't insulted anyone! Mind you I've had needless ones directed at me. I even found out that I've been unemployed my whole life.

A reason for not using the technology? It destroys the human element.

Think about it like a legal case. A judge makes a decision because they understand the situation best of all, and they have the power of reasoning and cognitive thinking. Would you like to be sent to court to deal with a robot that is actually limited in its decision-making process?

Computers are only as good as humans program them. And if you doubt that humans themselves have faults, then you haven't a leg to stand on with the umpiring comments.

Apologies to anyone who took anything I said personally...

Point taken, and I apologise for being a bit quick to judge. It seemed as if some of your comments were on the verge of insulting, but looking back, they weren't. Sorry again.

Regarding the technology issue, what are the factors you mention computers can't take into account? One I can see would be like the Sehwag dismissal, an inside edge wouldn't be recognised by HawkEye (I think). However, when the decision is automatically going to a computer, wouldn't the person operating this machine notice the inside edge (as I presume they would have a close up view of the LBW possibility area) and the umpire would immediately be informed of it?

 

[FRAZ]

..plus Aleem Dar is a good Umpire, no kidding

Kidnapping you mean

 

[Sehwag309]

Kidnapping you mean

Nah,...that stuff doesnt happen in India..maybe in our neighboring countries

 

[Jono]

No need to start bringing garbage like that up. Come on now, let's keep it about the game.

Fraz you never cease to amaze me.

 

[isuru]

I know that . But what do you think . Is'nt the deserving team still at the top . I was just watching a thread which said Sehwag should be droped and here on this thread people are wondering as if he was definately gonna make a double ... They are humans com'on . Keep the game natural ...

There is no doubt that the Australians have played better and deserve to win (unless one of the Indian batsmen can change this game).

You make a fair point when you say "keep the game natural", but if you say that then does that mean you are against the use of video in stumping/run outs?You can't make a claim for both cases.

Currently, there is the potential for the following scenario:
Team A's best batsman is given run out by video, in a close run out call. In the same game, Team B's best batsman is given not out to a ball that he nicked, but the umpire didn't believe he nicked. How unfair would that be?

Cheers
Isuru

 

[FRAZ]

Nah,...that stuff doesnt happen in India..maybe in our neighboring countries

You mean it happens in China , Burma , Srilanka , Nepal , Bangladesh , Kashmir ..... Do I miss some thing .....Yup the same words "Blame Pakistan ".... lolol .....It was coming up for sure .
Remember Before the series what I said about Sehwag and you said that "Fraz you should start a horoscope and a predictions thread"...
Your initial joke is giving me an idea for doing that in real
Stay kool

 

[Mr Casson]

Dasa, I was mostly talking about atmospheric and environmental conditions that are different for each ground and the time of day etc (I don't think HawkEye takes those into account).

But as for the use of technology, it might not even be all that bad. Sometimes people are just so obstinately opposed to change for no logical reason. Maybe it's a case of "better the devil you know".

Many times in the past I have thought that some change in the school system or something was horrible and unnecessary, but turned out to be just fine. Maybe it's a case of the same here, who knows?

 

[JustTool]

Yup sure .. Blame Pakistan .... lolol .....It was coming up for sure .
Remember Before the series what I said about Sehwag and you said that "Fraz you should start a horoscope and a predictions thread"...
Your initial joke is giving me an idea for doing that in real
Stay kool

Are you obssessed with Nationalities ? Are you insecure about yours ? On second thoughts, don't answer please.

 

[Sehwag309]

Yup sure .. Blame Pakistan .... lolol .....It was coming up for sure .
Remember Before the series what I said about Sehwag and you said that "Fraz you should start a horoscope and a predictions thread"...
Your initial joke is giving me an idea for doing that in real
Stay kool

Pakistan...hmm, well guilty as you please, I was directing things to Iraq..but hey whatever suits you

About the horoscope, sure go ahead, maybe u'll join the likes of Ajmeri baba from UK..and then cricketers will call you too 1-900-HIT-FRAZ

 

[isuru]

Isuru, you make a good point and I concede that I embellished the problems a bit.

But you can't argue that even this technology that is supposedly capable of showing what the ball would do is limited to just the factors that it is programmed to accommodate.

No doubt, they'd be pretty accurate, but these factors that the computer doesn't take into account can be noticed by the umpires. Therefore, why not just leave the decision wholly with the umpires?

Ah, I see your point and I agree wholeheartedly with you - currently I don't think technology such as HawkEye is ready to be used in matches.

But I still think there is a place for the use of video by umpires. It would have avoided decisions like Sehwag's today and Symonds' in Sri Lanka.

Cheers
Isuru

 

[Mr Casson]

Glad to see Virender Sehwag smiling after watching the footage of Billy Bowden this match. Obviously no residual animosity, and good character shown by Sehwag.