**Official** Australia in India Thread

[Mr Casson]

err no, you dont drop a proven player of spin, particularly someone who is arguably the best player of spin in the side.

You can be able to play it as well as you like, but application comes into it as well.

Marto isn't the best player of spin, but at least he ground out a vital knock in the second innings. Lehmann can play like a demi-God for all I care, but unless he applies himself as well he is no use.

 

[tooextracool]

Did you watch him Richard? Obviously you didn't. What Clarke played was an absolutely magnificent innings; it was even emotionally moving at times. All you are doing is showing me that you didn't watch it.

Clearly hugely inferior players do not hit big-hundreds on debut against a side that has had some success against their side recently, and they don't decimate bowlers with 400 wickets, and they barely even get off the mark when the whole team is surrounding the bat, and they don't bat faultlessly to 92 before even getting what might be luck, and they don't dig their teams out from precarious positions, they don't feature in 2 successive century partnerships.

And if you want to talk about inferior, how about what Darren Lehmann did? Oh, that was woeful! Lehmann came out playing like a 10-year-old.

So given what we've seen based on their comparitive performances, Lehmann should feel at least a little bit uneasy about his spot. I'm not saying he should go, but if he wants to play like he did, there's a perfectly good batsman who is waiting to jump all over his spot.

Clarke's innings smacked of class, Richard. And "clearly hugely inferior" players don't have any class.

And don't even think about responding with 12 posts or quoting my whole damn post, because you have so little credibility as far as I'm concerned that I won't even read it.

no, you dont drop someone who averages nearly 50 after 1 bad test match, especially considering that he is one of the best players of spin in the side. yes clarke has done well, and yes he has potential, but just like several other players have had to in the past, he might just have to wait for his turn. 1 innings doesnt make him superior, we've seen 1 inning wonders in the past and it might just happen again.

 

[tooextracool]

You can be able to play it as well as you like, but application comes into it as well.

Marto isn't the best player of spin, but at least he ground out a vital knock in the second innings. Lehmann can play like a demi-God for all I care, but unless he applies himself as well he is no use.

and its one test match, are you seriously saying that lehmann lacks application? the same person who went to Sri lanka and played murali (with doosra) and co on the most spinner friendly wickets with such assurance and application rarely seen before? infact lehmann picked the doosra so well that everytime murali bowled it, he came down the track and smashed it out of the park.

 

[tooextracool]

Bucknor has already proven, time and again, that he is horribly biased against Indians. Now, Bucknor is learning from him.
What a TERRIBLE decision. All the Australian commentators are always complaining about Indians appealing excessively but it has been prove, time and again, that Hayden, Slater et al are a bunch of real cheaters and appeal even when they KNOW that a catch was grounded or there was no nick.

i personally doubt that any umpire no matter how stupid he is would try to put his reputation and credibility on the line by making bias decisions.....especially somone as respected as bucknor.

 

[krishneelz]

India seem to be fighting back with harbs and anil. Hopefully their batsmen show some courage and fight it out. Oh how we miss the presence of Sachin

 

[Mr Casson]

no, you dont drop someone who averages nearly 50 after 1 bad test match, especially considering that he is one of the best players of spin in the side. yes clarke has done well, and yes he has potential, but just like several other players have had to in the past, he might just have to wait for his turn. 1 innings doesnt make him superior, we've seen 1 inning wonders in the past and it might just happen again.

I didn't say he had to be dropped in favour of Clarke. I've said numerous times that Clarke should bide his time until a more permanent spot becomes available. Stop drawing a link between what I'm saying about Lehmann, and whether Clarke should take his place or not. I'm not the one advocating it. I was just saying that Lehmann was absolute garbage in this match.

Incidentally, experts on the game (people who aren't you or I or anyone on this forum) like Doug Walters, with their vast knowledge of the game, have said that Lehmann should step aside to make way for Clarke (it's not my opinion, I'm just telling you).

 

[krishneelz]

Lehmann is a good man ive met him once. Hes the only international cricket ive ever spoken a word to. Anywho i guess he hasnt been at his best but he deserves to stay

 

[tooextracool]

I didn't say he had to be dropped in favour of Clarke. I've said numerous times that Clarke should bide his time until a more permanent spot becomes available. Stop drawing a link between what I'm saying about Lehmann, and whether Clarke should take his place or not. I'm not the one advocating it. I was just saying that Lehmann was absolute garbage in this match.

Incidentally, experts on the game (people who aren't you or I or anyone on this forum) like Doug Walters, with their vast knowledge of the game, have said that Lehmann should step aside to make way for Clarke (it's not my opinion, I'm just telling you).

yes he was garbage in this match, but given what we've seen from him in the last 1.5 years or so i think he has the right to have a bad test match.
and as far as what doug walters thinks, i really dont care, experts sometimes say something stupid like mcgrath isnt good enough etc. lehmann is a proven quality player, in my book hes the most underrated player in the world. hes done enough to keep his place in the side even if he fails miserably in the next test.

 

[Sehwag309]

SALUTE TO MY FAV BOWLER -GILLESPIE who walked, bucknor missed again...

 

[Mr Casson]

Well Bucknor has been spared the ignominy of another bad decision. Gillespie walks for 8; seems he's learnt that from Gilly.

Can't say the Aussies don't play fair!

 

[JustTool]

It was out. Tendulkar ducked really low, the ball didn't rise and struck around his shoulder. The ball had already peaked and was on its way down. It was hitting 3/4 up.

How's that ? Bucknor nodding 'NO' in his usual smug fashion even when Gillespie is WALKING away ! Still contend that Bucknor with his record, clearly now worse than, DeSilva, belongs in the Elite Panel. He is just BAD. There can be no other explanation

 

[JustTool]

Really wierd stuff - what happened with Gillespie and Bucknor there. In my opinion it's Bucknor who should be walking back-to-the-pavilion. The wrong guy walked !

 

[Mister Wright]

Well Bucknor has been spared the ignominy of another bad decision. Gillespie walks for 8; seems he's learnt that from Gilly.

Can't say the Aussies don't play fair!

Be fair. Watching the replay several times, It was hard to see it hitting the glove. I certainly wouldn't have given it out if I was standing there in the middle.

 

[rajat]

The problem is not if the ball is going to hit the stumps the problem is you cant accept an umpires decision, when you do learn to accept their decisions you will see how pathetic statements about biased unpiring are.

Oh when do we learn! That's funny. Really funny.

Remember the incident of Michael Slater when a low catch of him was taken by Rahul Dravid. What did he do?

He showed his As s(that is he was shameless)

 

[Mister Wright]

err no, you dont drop a proven player of spin, particularly someone who is arguably the best player of spin in the side.

Where did I say that he should be dropped? All I said is that he should be worried, because the innings he played was terrible, and he should be worried about the way he played, because that was not the innings of the best player of spin in the side.

Read the post mate.

 

[Mr Casson]

Where did I say that he should be dropped? All I said is that he should be worried, because the innings he played was terrible, and he should be worried about the way he played, because that was not the innings of the best player of spin in the side.

Read the post mate.

Exactly what I said, mate. He's just seeing two unrelated lines of argument relating to this test and fusing them; his bad.

 

[Mr Casson]

Be fair. Watching the replay several times, It was hard to see it hitting the glove. I certainly wouldn't have given it out if I was standing there in the middle.

That's true, it was hard to see. But Bucknor is supposed to see these things; that's why he's the umpire.

 

[tooextracool]

Where did I say that he should be dropped? All I said is that he should be worried, because the innings he played was terrible, and he should be worried about the way he played, because that was not the innings of the best player of spin in the side.

Read the post mate.

and by 'he should be worried', it means that his place is under threat, when in fact it isnt(or shouldnt be). and everybody no matter how good they are have poor innings, to say that that was not the innings of the best player of spin is simply ludicrous, would you say the same thing about lara after his problems against the pace of flintoff in england?

 

[Hala]

How's that ? Bucknor nodding 'NO' in his usual smug fashion even when Gillespie is WALKING away ! Still contend that Bucknor with his record, clearly now worse than, DeSilva, belongs in the Elite Panel. He is just BAD. There can be no other explanation

No offence but get real. Not even the Indian fielders seemed convinced it was out, in real time it looked obviously not out as it barely brushed the gloves. If Gillespie hadn't walked I doubt the Indian fielders would have been too agrieved it would have been an exceptional decision if Bucknor had picked up the ball brushing the glove. Frankly I think you guys should lighten up a little bit about the whole thing with Bucknor, you're just not thinking at all.

 

[JustTool]

Here we go. BIG INSIDE EDGE !!! And given out. Anyone against technology please speak up to show that you are a complete moron. India being beaten by terrible umpiring yet again !