**Official** Australia in India Thread

[Sudeep]

ponting is not in any sort of form whatsoever.....

Prior to the tour...

 

[Dasa]

what a stupid arguement that is

Not really... Obviously, Ponting and Warne were never a big threat in India.
I think you just call it stupid because you're an Aussie supporter.

 

[tooextracool]

Prior to the tour...

yes i know, thats what im referring too.
he averaged 33 in SL, didnt do much on a flat cairns wicket and then didnt do much in this game.
in ODIs, in his last 3 series, hes averaged 25,4 and 25.5.
his injury certainly doesnt make things any better

 

[Sudeep]

yes i know, thats what im referring too.
he averaged 33 in SL, didnt do much on a flat cairns wicket and then didnt do much in this game.
in ODIs, in his last 3 series, hes averaged 25,4 and 25.5.
the last time he was in form in either sort of the game was in the home series im afraid ponting hasnt had much of a 2004.

Tendulkar's average minus that double century would be lower I think... Maybe I meant it on a relative basis...

 

[Pace Setter]

Not really... Obviously, Ponting and Warne were never a big threat in India.
I think you just call it stupid because you're an Aussie supporter.

And neither were Martyn or arguably a couple of other Australian players. Cricket is a dynamic game, not static. Saying that world class players (in most people's opinion) like Punter or Warne could have never improved their performances in India is like saying that Kumble and Dravid would never have improved their performances in Australia-which of course, they did last summer.

I'm also an Aussie supporter, but suggesting that good players can never get better in conditions that they've been poor on before-i.e suggesting that cricket is a static game, is in my opinion, leaning slightly towards stupidity.

 

[tooextracool]

Tendulkar's average minus that double century would be lower I think... Maybe I meant it on a relative basis...

pontings average minus the 92 would be even lower......

 

[Mr Casson]

Holy ****! Praise for Queensland, wonders will never cease...

I hope you mean it's a wonder because it's coming from Age, otherwise it's just more self-pitying "poor Queensland, nothing ever goes our way" verbatim.

 

[Sudeep]

pontings average minus the 92 would be even lower......

If we see the past two years though, Ponting's averaging 60.

But you see what I'm doing... I'm just trying to make up reasons for an error.

Still I think if not having Tendulkar is a reason for us not being able to win, countering it with not having Ponting is logical, however weird that logic is...

 

[tooextracool]

Not really... Obviously, Ponting and Warne were never a big threat in India.
I think you just call it stupid because you're an Aussie supporter.

while warne hasnt been as brilliant as he can be, hes still averaged 30 odd this series, which is a considerable improvement from his previous performances and certainly worthy of being missed,especially if hes replaced by hauritz.
and why is it not surprising that laxman's only success in this series came in a game in which shane warne wasnt playing in?

 

[tooextracool]

If we see the past two years though, Ponting's averaging 60.

But you see what I'm doing... I'm just trying to make up reasons for an error.

Still I think if not having Tendulkar is a reason for us not being able to win, countering it with not having Ponting is logical, however weird that logic is...

i thought it was even, with pontings captaincy making up a major part of my decision.
however after watching that last game, im inclined to believe that australia barely missed ponting. personally, i'd pick lehmann ahead of ponting on any subcontinental wicket on any day of their lives.

 

[Mister Wright]

I hope you mean it's a wonder because it's coming from Age, otherwise it's just more self-pitying "poor Queensland, nothing ever goes our way" verbatim.

Yes it was, how could a comment regarded to the groundsman be taken any other way?

 

[Swervy]

Not really... Obviously, Ponting and Warne were never a big threat in India.
I think you just call it stupid because you're an Aussie supporter.

I called it stupid coz it is stupid not coz I support Australia. I think Warne went someway to show he can bowl in India,and Ponting is obviously one of the best batsman in the world.

Both teams were probably hurt by injuries as much as each other..but lets face it, Tendulkar has nothing in tests for 2 years now aprt from 2 innings in that time,he may well not have been a major force in the series anyway.

 

[Sudeep]

i thought it was even, with pontings captaincy making up a major part of my decision.
however after watching that last game, im inclined to believe that australia barely missed ponting. personally, i'd pick lehmann ahead of ponting on any subcontinental wicket on any day of their lives.

IMO Ponting didn't get a fair chance to bat this time. He's definitely not the best player of spin, but he isn't too bad either.

 

[marc71178]

The implication is clear here. I suppose you'll always be superior to us natives, eh?

No, the only implication from that is that Australia are a better side than India.

Don't try and stir something up from nothing.

 

[marc71178]

lol, he took 6/9, thats 6 wickets, he bowled well to the conditions and did exactly what the team needed, can we please not go into umpiring decisions again, whats given is given - its part of cricket, if you dont like it go play something else.

And had it been Hauritz take all those wickets in that manner...

 

[marc71178]

warne ok, but who would have lehamn replaced in the test or is it that aussie would have been allowed to play 12 plyers since the pich was bad

IMO, Lehmann is still worthy of a spot in that middle order, replacing either Katich or Clarke (who let us remember wouldn't have had a game but for Ponting's injury)

 

[marc71178]

THere was a bit in the wicket (obviously if he took 6/9). What's a bowler supposed to do about which wickets he takes when he's brought on when the first 4 have already fallen?

I very much doubt he'd have been so successful coming on only 2 down - could easily have been hit out of the attack before getting any.

 

[marc71178]

Not really... Obviously, Ponting and Warne were never a big threat in India.

Which is why Warne had already had a good series even prior to the 4th game - he could have picked up a lot of wickets as the sole spinner on that pitch.

 

[honestbharani]

Warne is a quality spinner, no doubt. But the fact is even he would have found it difficult to dislodge the Indian batters, even at Mumbai. He would have needed to bowl a lot flatter to be effective there, but then again, even Clarke did not get the top order wickets. Surely, it would have been interesting to see how he bowled to Laxman and Sachin, who were playing as well as they have ever done this season.

 

[Linda]

I find it hard to beleive that people can constantly predict players success -or lack of- in certain conditions when the Man of the series, prior to this series, apparently had no footwork, and was useless against good spin.