**Official** Australia in India Thread

[Sehwag309]

Well then, good for him and Australia. Afterall warne said he did remind him of mark

 

[Sehwag309]

lol the lehmann and Warne bowling combo would have been absolutley deadly on that pitch

Thats the guy who sent Warne back

 

[age_master]

Well then, good for him and Australia. Afterall warne said he did remind him of Tugga

i though he reminded him of mark?

 

[Sehwag309]

i though he reminded him of mark?

oh yeah: edited

 

[honestbharani]

lol, when they came out here we produced batting wickets, that certainly seemed to suit some of their batsmen, kumble didn't suffer as much as the rest of the bowlers either

I remember a ODI wicket in Perth where batsmen never needed to get on the front foot. Is that type of wicket so good for cricket?

 

[mavric41]

Lets face it - extremes of any type of wicket isn't what we want. A wicket which provides something for everyone is what we want. The wicket at Mumbai might have provided exciting cricket, but it wasn't a particularly high standard.

Generally the best pitch in the world is the Gabba in my opinion. It provides something for everyone.

 

[honestbharani]

I think what Murali Karthick said at the end of the match was pertinent. He said that if the wicket helps seamers, they say it seams too much. If it helps spinners, they say it turns too much. If it is a flat track, they say bowlers have no chance. At the end of the day, there is no such thing as an ideal wicket.

 

[Craig]

India player ratings

Plaayer ratings:

V Sehwag - 5/10 - Besides one big score, he never got going for me and was too sloppy in the field
G Gambhir - 3 - Not a good start on his Test debut with somebody who has an impressive FC record.
R Dravid - 5- Never got going with the bat, he took some great catches at slip, probably a better captain then Ganguly.
SR Tendulkar - 4 - Finally got going in the second innings at Mumbai after two months out. Looked like getting back into form.
VVS Laxman - 4 - Completely out of form, starting to get to his best.
M Kaif - 6 - Probably the most consistent of all the Indian batsmen, and made a welcome return to Test cricket.
KKD Karthik - 6 - Was a little disappionted with him with the bat, but he clearly was more reliable with the gloves.
A Kumble - 8 - Was clearly one of the best bowlers for India in this series. 27 wickets at 25 points to that.
M Kartik - 7 - Bowling as well as I have ever seen him bowl. Clearly enjoying bowling under Dravid, instead of Ganguly.
Harbhajan Singh - 8- second highest leading wicket taker in this series, he looked dangerous and even managed to get himself stuck under the Australians skin.
Z Khan - 6 - Bowled a lot better then his figures suggested.
A Chopra - 2 - Looks good under the helmet but clearly not up to this standard.
Yuvraj Singh - 3 - Simply too out of form and not an opener.
PA Patel - 5 - Was batting very well, and could potentially a good batsman, but not until his keeping improves.
IK Pathan - 7 - Bowled pretty well and looked good with the bat as well.
AA Agarkar - 3 - Simply proved he is not of Test standard.

Agree or disagree.

Well do Australia later.

 

[Sehwag309]

Quite good Craig, although u might have disappointed Aggy fans

 

[honestbharani]

Plaayer ratings:

V Sehwag - 5/10 - Besides one big score, he never got going for me and was too sloppy in the field
G Gambhir - 3 - Not a good start on his Test debut with somebody who has an impressive FC record.
R Dravid - 5- Never got going with the bat, he took some great catches at slip, probably a better captain then Ganguly.
SR Tendulkar - 4 - Finally got going in the second innings at Mumbai after two months out. Looked like getting back into form.
VVS Laxman - 4 - Completely out of form, starting to get to his best.
M Kaif - 6 - Probably the most consistent of all the Indian batsmen, and made a welcome return to Test cricket.
KKD Karthik - 6 - Was a little disappionted with him with the bat, but he clearly was more reliable with the gloves.
A Kumble - 8 - Was clearly one of the best bowlers for India in this series. 27 wickets at 25 points to that.
M Kartik - 7 - Bowling as well as I have ever seen him bowl. Clearly enjoying bowling under Dravid, instead of Ganguly.
Harbhajan Singh - 8- second highest leading wicket taker in this series, he looked dangerous and even managed to get himself stuck under the Australians skin.
Z Khan - 6 - Bowled a lot better then his figures suggested.
A Chopra - 2 - Looks good under the helmet but clearly not up to this standard.
Yuvraj Singh - 3 - Simply too out of form and not an opener.
PA Patel - 5 - Was batting very well, and could potentially a good batsman, but not until his keeping improves.
IK Pathan - 7 - Bowled pretty well and looked good with the bat as well.
AA Agarkar - 3 - Simply proved he is not of Test standard.

Agree or disagree.

Well do Australia later.

Given the fact that the whole Indian team would probably only get a 4/10 for their performance in this series, I think the guys who stand out from this series for India are Sehwag, Bhajji, Kumble and Kartik. But I think Kartik did well because he was that good, not because Rahul uses him better. If Anil and Bhajji had been fit at Nagpur, even Rahul would not have picked Murali.

 

[Sudeep]

AA Agarkar - 3 - Simply proved he is not of Test standard.

That, from a member of AAAS, is really disappointing.

 

[Spetsnatz]

I agree with Wisden in that Zaheer bowled pretty well from his second spell in Chennai onwards although the figures don't neccessarily reflect that.

He and Pathan have the makings of a pretty good new ball combination given time. Its the support pace bowling thats more questionable
-- Agarkar and Nehra have been given plently of chances but haven't taken them.
I do understand India have got a few young guys coming up like Salvi, Paul, Bhandari, Munaf Patel. Perhaps they should seriously look at getting a specialist pace bowling coach -- they haven't got a tradition of pace bowling unlike some other countries.
A good bowling coach would definitely be of help -- something England has seen over that last 18 months or so.

 

[Western Warrior]

Future for Australia continues to be bright
Sunday November 7, 12:30 PM​

Australia's tour of India didn't end as it would have wished. Their dismissal for 93 in the fourth innings in Mumbai handed India a 13-run victory.

Thankfully, given the state of the pitch, the final Test wasn't the series decider.

However, had rain not intervened on the final day in Chennai, it may well have decided the outcome of the series.

That is something we'll never know, but on balance, it must be said that the better team came out on top over the duration of the four Tests.

Australia totally outplayed India in Bangalore and Nagpur, winning by a combined aggregate of 559 runs.

For the world champions, there were many positives to come out of the series.

In recent years, much of Australia's dominance has been built around the start given to them by openers Matthew Hayden and Justin Langer.

While they did post an opening partnership of 136 in Chennai and a further three half-century stands, their individual performances weren't overly flattering - Hayden averaged 31 and Langer 28.

Yet, despite neither producing dominant performances, the middle order still flourished.

Damien Martyn continued his renaissance with 444 runs, including two centuries and another score of 97.

Arguably his 55 in Australia's first innings in the fourth Test was his finest knock in the series.

He started the year looking fragile, but has since scored four centuries, all of them coming in the sub-continent.

While Martyn reignited his Test career, Michael Clarke launched himself into the Test arena with one of the finest debut series yet scene by an Australian batsman.

Of all the places to make your debut as an Australian batsman, India is the most demanding, for the conditions are the most foreign you could experience.

His maiden innings of 151 in Bangalore oozed class, as did his innings of 91 and 73 in Nagpur.

His fielding improved dramatically as the series wore on, and no doubt he's still pinching himself after his stunning 6 for 9 on the Mumbai dust bowl.

In Ricky Ponting's absence, Simon Katich showed he was an able replacement at number three, scoring 81 in Bangalore, 99 in Nagpur and 36 not out in Chennai.

Adam Gilchrist failed to build on his first innings 104 in Bangalore, but he will always be remembered as the man who led Australia to the history making series win.

In the bowling department, Jason Gillespie made up for the lack of luck he experienced in the 2001 series, by claiming 20 wickets at 16.

Glenn McGrath again proved to be a master of Indian conditions, capturing 14 wickets at 25.

Michael Kasprowicz provided solid support for the lead pace duo, taking his nine wickets at a cost of 28 runs each.

Of all the bowlers, Shane Warne will be the most frustrated.

He claimed 14 wickets in the first three Tests at an average of 30.

Unfortunately for him, a broken thumb prevented him from a potential payday in the fourth Test.

His replacement, Nathan Hauritz, finished his debut Test with five wickets, and although he claimed the prize scalp of Sachin Tendulkar in the second innings, his figures of 2 for 87 on a spinner's paradise is some cause for concern should Warne be unfit for the first Test against New Zealand in just under a fortnight.

On the whole, this series has been a tremendous success for the world champions.

They've laid to rest a 35-year bogey and in doing so have shown that the signs for the future continue to be bright.

 

[biased indian]

So where were Lehmann and Warne then?

warne ok, but who would have lehamn replaced in the test or is it that aussie would have been allowed to play 12 plyers since the pich was bad

 

[age_master]

Plaayer ratings:

V Sehwag - 5/10 - Besides one big score, he never got going for me and was too sloppy in the field
G Gambhir - 3 - Not a good start on his Test debut with somebody who has an impressive FC record.
R Dravid - 5- Never got going with the bat, he took some great catches at slip, probably a better captain then Ganguly.
SR Tendulkar - 4 - Finally got going in the second innings at Mumbai after two months out. Looked like getting back into form.
VVS Laxman - 4 - Completely out of form, starting to get to his best.
M Kaif - 6 - Probably the most consistent of all the Indian batsmen, and made a welcome return to Test cricket.
KKD Karthik - 6 - Was a little disappionted with him with the bat, but he clearly was more reliable with the gloves.
A Kumble - 8 - Was clearly one of the best bowlers for India in this series. 27 wickets at 25 points to that.
M Kartik - 7 - Bowling as well as I have ever seen him bowl. Clearly enjoying bowling under Dravid, instead of Ganguly.
Harbhajan Singh - 8- second highest leading wicket taker in this series, he looked dangerous and even managed to get himself stuck under the Australians skin.
Z Khan - 6 - Bowled a lot better then his figures suggested.
A Chopra - 2 - Looks good under the helmet but clearly not up to this standard.
Yuvraj Singh - 3 - Simply too out of form and not an opener.
PA Patel - 5 - Was batting very well, and could potentially a good batsman, but not until his keeping improves.
IK Pathan - 7 - Bowled pretty well and looked good with the bat as well.
AA Agarkar - 3 - Simply proved he is not of Test standard.

probably a touch harsh on sehwag, wasn't too bad for the most part

i would have given Zaheer abit higher as well, he bowled really well

 

[age_master]

Generally the best pitch in the world is the Gabba in my opinion. It provides something for everyone.

i have to agree that the Gabba is the best pitch going round at the moment, best curator in the world comfortably.

 

[Craig]

That, from a member of AAAS, is really disappointing.

Probably.

I actually do think he could end up into a good lower order batsman, he has the talent to really go for his shots and for it to pay off. I don't know how hard he works on his batting, but it certainly needs more time to be spent on it.

 

[Craig]

But I think Kartik did well because he was that good, not because Rahul uses him better.

I would agree with this to an extent.

Seeing Kartik bowl under Dravide, compared to that under Ganguly, Kartik looked like a completely different bowler.

 

[JustTool]

You know what really amazes me about the comments on this board is that NONE of the Aussie-English gang is gracious enough to say a good word about AWESOME the batting of Tendulkar-Laxman was (on this same pitch that Ponting is whining about Tendulkar scored 50 of 62 balls coming in to bat at 11 for 2 !) and how India did not lose heart in spite of having lost the series, and seemingly the match, when they left Aussies only 107 to score to win. NOT A WORD FROM ANYONE. They are all busy making excuses or blaiming the pitch.

I am just glad I won't be posting any more with these narrow-minded people...

Later.

 

[JustTool]

The implication is clear here. I suppose you'll always be superior to us natives, eh?

You got it. These guys are amazing - I suppose it's punsihment enough they have to live with themselves, and each other, in their narrow 'world'.