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**Official** Australia in India Thread

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
masterblaster said:
There'd be far too much pressure on the young man

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I agree he will be under tremendous pressure but believe me all that pressure will come from having to keep wickets. If he opens, he will contribute at least in some way and that cant be bad for his confidence. It is his keeping that is playing havoc with his confidence level.
 

garage flower

State Vice-Captain
masterblaster said:
There'd be far too much pressure on the young man to open and to wicketkeep, plus it'd probably affect his keeping negatively even more, so I wouldn't do it.

He's a gutsy batsman, we need a strong tail and thanks to Patel and Irfan, our tail has been wagging, which has hardly ever happened before.
The Patel question is still a difficult one and I saw hardly any of Day 4 so I'm not sure whether there were any more fumbles.

His runs are very handy, but surely he's more likely to lose a match by dropping catches/missing stumpings than he is to win/save one with his useful batting. Not sure how good the alternatives such as Kartik are, but I'd be inclined to drop Parthiv.

I know it's a bit simplistic, but shouldn't India look to select their best 2 openers, best 4 middle order bats, best 'keeper and 4 best bowlers?

If they were to take that approach, I'd assume that - if Tendulkar is passed fit - Yuvraj, Kaif and Patel would all be out and Kartik (?) and a specialist opener (Chopra?, Ramesh?, Das?) would come in.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
garage flower said:
Its a tough job being an Indian selector :p :p

So that is why I suspect they will opt for a compromise.

Get Parthiv to open. This means leave out Chopra. So they have one in form batsman in.

If they want the other (Kaif) too, then forget Karthik and give the 'baby' another chance to give Hayden and company another chance :D

I have a very funny feeling they will do something similar :huh:
 
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SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Dydl said:
I take it that you don't want to be an Indian selector.
NO !!

Seriously.
I would love to do the job if it was a one man committee and a full time job. With regional committees (again one man and full time) , hand picked by me and reporting only to me and with an extensive travel schedule involving at least one regional selector and/or the national selsctor covering all domestic first class games.

We can all dream cant we :D
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Deja moo said:
Exactly.

Ideally Brett Lee too should be brought into the Aussie side. Nagpur is a pitch where only way the pacers could hope to dismiss the batsmen is either if the batsmen mess up themselves, or by bowling yorkers .

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Perhaps. He bowled beautifully in Australia. His problem is, if he is attacked, he can come apart. Nehra is insensitive :p

Agarkar fluctuates wildly from a match winner to a profligate spreader of good cheer for batsmen. I am a great admirer of his skills but I wish he learnt to harness them. If there is one Indian player who needs a real good coach to take him under his charge, it is AA. And the outcome maybe great for Indian cricket.
 

masterblaster

International Captain
Well Irfan Pathan is officially out of the Nagpur test, so AA might get a recall after all, and Zaheer probably stays in the team too. If Nehra is fit, don't be surprised to see him in the team as well in place of AA as he's a favourite of Ganguly's.
 

Deja moo

International Captain
masterblaster said:
Well Irfan Pathan is officially out of the Nagpur test, so AA might get a recall after all, and Zaheer probably stays in the team too. If Nehra is fit, don't be surprised to see him in the team as well in place of AA as he's a favourite of Ganguly's.

Its most likely to be Nehra and Zaheer .
 

burr

State Vice-Captain
A must read - well said S Dinakar!

Martyn — a treat for the connoisseur

By S. Dinakar

MARATHON MEN: Damien Martyn and Jason Gillespie enjoy their drinks-break during the course of their long partnership on Sunday. — Photo: R. Ragu



CHENNAI, OCT. 17. Even as the ball, directed by a stroke that was more of a caress, sped towards the third man fence, the years appeared to be rolling back with it. Damien Martyn's batsmanship is wrapped in an old world charm, where time seems to melt away.

It had been a flighted delivery from Harbhajan Singh, that had hissed off the pitch, towards the off-stump, and Martyn's response was a delightfully executed late cut, which would have, among the old-timers, evoked memories of a bygone era.

Indeed, Martyn's batsmanship is a throwback to the period when the cricketing grounds were without hoardings, when those great touch artists waltzed on sun-lit arenas, and when batting was a melodious song that would drift into the stands from the middle.

It was no different on the fourth day of the second TVS Cup Test for the Border-Gavaskar Trophy, when Martyn's 104 was not so much constructed as sculpted, with care and preciseness, and with a creative bent.

In Mark Waugh's shoes


In the Australian side, the 32-year-old West Australian is the logical successor to that glorious natural Mark Waugh, slicing open an attack rather than blowing it away, a delicate cut here, an exquisite cover drive there, a lovely on-drive here, an imperious flick there. Even while essaying a stroke often bristling with power, the pull, he made the shot look a lot gentler.

He had been relegated to the sidelines during the 2001 series here, the Aussie think-tank, with disastrous consequences, choosing to keep faith in a hopelessly out of form Ricky Ponting. At the Chepauk, on Sunday, Martyn showed what a folly that decision was.

Those soft hands were very much visible as he negotiated the Indian spin twins Anil Kumble and Harbhajan Singh, his light frame beautifully balanced, whether moving forward or back, and his footwork measured with not even a hint of exaggerated movements that so curtail lesser batsmen.

In what must have been a gut-wrenching phase for the Aussies, he was in command, in control, the ease with which he negotiated a pressure situation revealing a wonderful blend of caution and aggression, and the manner in which he inspired Jason Gillespie to bat with him for almost two entire sessions showing exemplary guiding qualities.

Resilient Gillespie


Indeed, the bearded, long haired Gillespie of flaming eyes and passion filled bowling, displayed rare resilience as a night-watchman who left India frustrated in the day, often pushing his long frame forward and keeping the home spinners at bay.

The Martyn tale is one of triumph of the spirit. Here was a gifted batsman riding on his skills, who spent five agonising years in international oblivion, punished for his reckless stroke in the Sydney Test of 1993-94, when the Aussies, in pursuit of 117 for a victory against the Proteas, fell short by five runs.

He earned the reputation too of being brash and arrogant, so lacking in application and discipline, so unmindful of his own glittering gifts. It would not be until 1999, that Martyn would walk back into light, finally drafted into the Test side again.

He has since then carved out a few classics in the Australian middle-order, such a 118 at Leeds, a 133 at Johannesburg, living under the shadow of more powerful strikers of the ball such as Matthew Hayden, Ricky Ponting, and Adam Gilchrist, still managing to establish his own identity as a smooth stroking charmer who could coax the ball into the empty spaces.

And he, in an act of much courage, did ambush India in the World Cup final of 2003, racing to an unbeaten 88, braving a broken finger.

Earlier this year, his two hundreds on the Sri Lankan campaign — 110 at Galle, and 161 at Kandy — were conjured after Australia had conceded the first innings lead. The baggy greens regrouped to win both Tests.

And the man who had gathered 2923 runs in 45 Tests at 46.39 before the Chennai encounter has now eased past the 3000-run mark, his spirit-lifting knock at Chepauk being his eighth Test hundred.

They say timing is the key in cricket, not just how a cricketer middled his strokes, but the situation in which he delivered, Martyn could not be faulted on either counts. The sweet sound of music emanated from his willow when Australia was staring at an imminent death in the second Test.

And for the connoisseurs of the game at Chepauk, some old memories came gushing back
 

Linda

International Vice-Captain
That article on Martyn is sensational :D I didnt even realise he'd passed the 3000... oh, gush.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Linda said:
That article on Martyn is sensational :D I didnt even realise he'd passed the 3000... oh, gush.
As I said the other day, he is the 'unsung' hero of team Australia.

A top peformer who somehow doesnt get noticed :mellow:
 

Mister Wright

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
masterblaster said:
It's a rash move, but I would drop Yuvraj Singh and open with Mohammad Kaif. The man showed he had the technique to tackle the Australian bowling and was really looking superior to Yuvraj Singh in batting stakes. My main man to open would be Akash Chopra, but he's been forgotten.

My ideal team for Nagpur:

Sehwag
Kaif (even though I'd like to see Chopra there but anyways...)
Dravid
Tendulkar (If Fit) / Yuvraj
Laxman
Ganguly (c)
Patel (even though I'd like to see Dinesh Karthik in this spot)
Irfan Pathan
Agarkar
Harbhajan
Kumble
Why would you drop a make-shift opener for another make-shift opener?
 

Mister Wright

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
garage flower said:
The Patel question is still a difficult one and I saw hardly any of Day 4 so I'm not sure whether there were any more fumbles.

His runs are very handy, but surely he's more likely to lose a match by dropping catches/missing stumpings than he is to win/save one with his useful batting. Not sure how good the alternatives such as Kartik are, but I'd be inclined to drop Parthiv.

I know it's a bit simplistic, but shouldn't India look to select their best 2 openers, best 4 middle order bats, best 'keeper and 4 best bowlers?

If they were to take that approach, I'd assume that - if Tendulkar is passed fit - Yuvraj, Kaif and Patel would all be out and Kartik (?) and a specialist opener (Chopra?, Ramesh?, Das?) would come in.
My only question over Patel as opener, would be whether he is capable of making big scores? We have seen him make handy 40s, 50s & 60s which is what you want from your keeper, but from your opener you would want someone who could regulary score over 80.
 

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