***Official*** Australia in England (The Ashes)

[Scallywag]

Yet another dumb Aussie shoots his mouth off...


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/4598845.stm


"I just don't think they have the attack to bowl Australia out twice,"

"It may be a bit harsh but they rely too much on Steve Harmison and the spinner's a bit of a worry."


The picture BBC used of Lehmann looking like a fat version of Phil Tufnell says it all I think.

How do you feel when ex-England coach says exactaly the same thing.

FORMER England coach David Lloyd fears Michael Vaughan's team will not win a single Ashes Test this winter.

Or is that a dumb pom shooting off his mouth.

 

[vic_orthdox]

I'm sure everyone thought this, but wouldn't 'Worth the Weight' be a more apt title?

That must be an old article, we've had that book in our house for a good few months, and it only details up till just after the Sri Lankan tour. Maybe its released in England now.

 

[BARMY_LAD]

England In A Historic Victory Over The Convicts!

Let it be known that we WILL win the ashes.... The Aussies are getting far too ****y and its about time that we knock them off their zimmaframes!
With Freddie Flintoff and Andrew Strauss, not to mention Michael Vaughan (whom Australia had a very tough time of containing in the last ashes series) we are capable of winning the series....
MY GUESS 2-1 (With rain spoiling our chances of a bigger victory.
AUSSIES BOW DOWN TO THE ENGEEEEERLAND!!!!

 

[Eclipse]

Let it be known that we WILL win the ashes.... The Aussies are getting far too ****y and its about time that we knock them off their zimmaframes!
With Freddie Flintoff and Andrew Strauss, not to mention Michael Vaughan (whom Australia had a very tough time of containing in the last ashes series) we are capable of winning the series....
MY GUESS 2-1 (With rain spoiling our chances of a bigger victory.
AUSSIES BOW DOWN TO THE ENGEEEEERLAND!!!!

 

[age_master]

indeed

 

[age_master]

How do you feel when ex-England coach says exactaly the same thing.

FORMER England coach David Lloyd fears Michael Vaughan's team will not win a single Ashes Test this winter.

Or is that a dumb pom shooting off his mouth.

must be

 

[archie mac]

Michael Vaughan (whom Australia had a very tough time of containing in the last ashes series)

Yes he did play very well, but England still lost 4-1

 

[Neil Pickup]

Let it be known that we WILL win the ashes.... The Aussies are getting far too ****y and its about time that we knock them off their zimmaframes!
With Freddie Flintoff and Andrew Strauss, not to mention Michael Vaughan (whom Australia had a very tough time of containing in the last ashes series) we are capable of winning the series....
MY GUESS 2-1 (With rain spoiling our chances of a bigger victory.
AUSSIES BOW DOWN TO THE ENGEEEEERLAND!!!!

Please engage brain before posting.

 

[Scaly piscine]

Inclined to agree with Lehmann, actually. On flat wickets, England won't be able to bowl Australia out for chasable totals. They need to either prepare wickets which have something in them for bowlers, or put in simply phenomenal batting performances. England's bowling attack is good, but Harmison has looked poor of late, Giles is nothing particularly special, particularly on flat pitches, and Jones hasn't done all that much in his test career to date, and if they don't fire that leaves far too much work for Hoggard and Flintoff against what is by far the best batting lineup in the world. If it becomes a battle of the 500+ scores, England will get thrashed. Their best hope is to present conditions where it is as difficult as possible for the Australian batsman to dominate proceedings.

That wasn't what ex-Yorkshi*e fat boy said tho.

 

[howardj]

How do you feel when ex-England coach says exactaly the same thing.

FORMER England coach David Lloyd fears Michael Vaughan's team will not win a single Ashes Test this winter.

Or is that a dumb pom shooting off his mouth.

England always manage to win at least one Ashes Test. Whether they can win a live rubber though.....

 

[dinu23]

common England!

 

[superkingdave]

Please engage brain before posting.

youthfull optimism is not encouraged now is it?

 

[superkingdave]

common England!

hmm, Strauss is the only one who went to a private school, so you could have a point there...

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

hmm, Strauss is the only one who went to a private school, so you could have a point there...

 

[tooextracool]

Exactly. The Waugh/Taylor/Warne slip trio barely dropped a thing. Taylor and Waugh were absolutely fantastic slip fielders, and Warne is certainly good enough to be third slip after those two. After Taylor left, Waugh/Warne/Ponting was very good as well. After the loss of Mark Waugh however, things went downhill for the Australia slip cordon to a noticable degree, and if you consider how noticable this was despite the fact that they still had to high quality slip fielders in Warne and Ponting, you realise exactly how much Mark Waugh was worth.

warne is hardly anything special. he drops some of the easiest of sitters, and then manages to pull off a few blinders.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

warne is hardly anything special. he drops some of the easiest of sitters, and then manages to pull off a few blinders.

Warne is a good slip fielder, he's just not great like Taylor and M. Waugh, and my point was that the three of them together is as strong a slip cordon as any test nation has ever had. He's not as good as Dravid currently, but I'd say he's in the next group of slippers in the world. He's not quite as good as he used to be with added responsibility either, but it's no co-incidence that Australia's lowest point in terms of slip catching coincided with Warne's absence from the team.

 

[tooextracool]

Warne is a good slip fielder, he's just not great like Taylor and M. Waugh, and my point was that the three of them together is as strong a slip cordon as any test nation has ever had. He's not as good as Dravid currently, but I'd say he's in the next group of slippers in the world. He's not quite as good as he used to be with added responsibility either, but it's no co-incidence that Australia's lowest point in terms of slip catching coincided with Warne's absence from the team.

or rather their slip fielding has been going down ever since taylor and waugh left. and now that warne's back things dont look too much different do they?
hes an average slip fielder, who was just made to look better because he was part of a slip cordon that included waugh and taylor.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

or rather their slip fielding has been going down ever since taylor and waugh left. and now that warne's back things dont look too much different do they?
hes an average slip fielder, who was just made to look better because he was part of a slip cordon that included waugh and taylor.

The Australian slip cordon with Warne back in it has been much better than it was while he was banned, and far less catches have gone down. Usually when they have it's been from Ponting and Langer anyway, not Warne.

He's a "good" slip fielder, in the same vein as Fleming and Flintoff and so on. His catch to match ratio would look a lot better if he hadn't played third fiddle to Taylor and Waugh for so long.

 

[tooextracool]

The Australian slip cordon with Warne back in it has been much better than it was while he was banned, and far less catches have gone down. Usually when they have it's been from Ponting and Langer anyway, not Warne..

yet not long ago you called ponting a high quality slip fielder too.
and regardless, the slip catching has been so brilliant recently that buchanan actually mentioned the drop in their slip fielding standards after they dropped 15 out of 17 odd catches in 5 tests in the slips.

He's a "good" slip fielder, in the same vein as Fleming and Flintoff and so on. His catch to match ratio would look a lot better if he hadn't played third fiddle to Taylor and Waugh for so long.

rubbish, to compare warne to flintoff whos barely ever dropped a sitter in his career is absolutely ludicrous.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

yet not long ago you called ponting a high quality slip fielder too.

Err, Ponting was (and still is, probably) a quality slip fielder, he has however dropped a fair number of catches in the last year or so, as has been well documented. That hardly means he wasn't an excellent catcher for years before that.

and regardless, the slip catching has been so brilliant recently that buchanan actually mentioned the drop in their slip fielding standards after they dropped 15 out of 17 odd catches in 5 tests in the slips.

The slip fielding hasn't been great (although as I said, this is largely isn't anythign to do with Warne), but the lowest point was during the Indian series and the period around there. The re-introduction of Warne into the team improved things to a noticable degree.