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[social]

yeah, but first of all, his action is extremely unorthodox and that may lead him to trouble on the injury front. I mean, the way he bends his knees (both of them) at the point of delivery... I almost wince everytime I watch that. I cannot see how anyone's knee can take that sort of pressure for any length of time. But the fact that he sorta gets low down at the point of delivery is what is helping him, I think. With his height, you expect the ball to bounce high and skid little, but because he gets low at the point of delivery, his deliveries tend to skid on like it does with most fast bowlers who are not too tall. Plus, the batsmen expect the ball to bounce higher because of his height and because of this action, it doesn't and they are caught on the wrong foot sometimes. But once you have played him for a while, I think you can handle him reasonably comfortably (not easily, mind you,but comfortably).


That said, I don't think MacGill is a bad spinner either. It is just that I would rather face MacGill than Warne and similarly, rather face Tait than McGrath or Gillespie (in his good days.)

Ignoring his action for the moment, besides Tait, how many bowlers are there in the world that can reach mid-90s?

Being generous, 3 - Lee, Shoaib and Flintoff

With the exception of Lee, the other 2 only do it on very odd occasions.

Besides Tait, how many swing the ball at that pace?

Lee and Shoaib in ODIs with a white ball

Otherwise, virtually exclusively by reverse.

In my estimation, he is the only bowler that can reach mid 90s, swing a new red ball, and reverse later.

That's not something you get used to in a hurry.

Given the above, who gives a hoot as to whether he stands tall, follows through, etc.

 

[vic_orthdox]

well, I said that taking into account the TB wicket. Obviously, u don't wanna get on the front foot on a bouncy WACA as sqwerty said.

Simply put, that TB wicket is about as slow as any you'll find anywhere.

 

[aussie]

well, I said that taking into account the TB wicket. Obviously, u don't wanna get on the front foot on a bouncy WACA as sqwerty said.

well it will be interesting at the Oval (which should be a bouncy deck) Tait & bing could bruise a few of my fellow englismen

 

[sqwerty]

good points here espcially the point that Tait real test will come after batsman around the glode get accostomed to him, but once he does get success in his initial coupe of years at the international level like most good bowlers i'll back him to continue to do well.......

There's a few of those wippy little round arm slingers around the world at the moment. There's a west indian and a Sri Lanakan that come to mind.

But I don't care how much you think their actions are different, you can't beat height for a fast bowler.

Look at McGrath bowling at 125kmh

 

[honestbharani]

Simply put, that TB wicket is about as slow as any you'll find anywhere.

u haven't taken a look at some of the Indian wickets, then.

 

[honestbharani]

Ignoring his action for the moment, besides Tait, how many bowlers are there in the world that can reach mid-90s?

Being generous, 3 - Lee, Shoaib and Flintoff

With the exception of Lee, the other 2 only do it on very odd occasions.

Besides Tait, how many swing the ball at that pace?

Lee and Shoaib in ODIs with a white ball

Otherwise, virtually exclusively by reverse.

In my estimation, he is the only bowler that can reach mid 90s, swing a new red ball, and reverse later.

That's not something you get used to in a hurry.

Given the above, who gives a hoot as to whether he stands tall, follows through, etc.

I accept that he is gifted. That is why I said I want him to be injury free. As you said, he has got very rare abilities and to make the best use of that, let's hope he remains injury free.

 

[aussie]

Ignoring his action for the moment, besides Tait, how many bowlers are there in the world that can reach mid-90s?

Being generous, 3 - Lee, Shoaib and Flintoff

With the exception of Lee, the other 2 only do it on very odd occasions.

Besides Tait, how many swing the ball at that pace?

Lee and Shoaib in ODIs with a white ball

Otherwise, virtually exclusively by reverse.

In my estimation, he is the only bowler that can reach mid 90s, swing a new red ball, and reverse later.

That's not something you get used to in a hurry.

agreed social but Bond also bowls then in the mid-90s but i am not sure if he can naturally swing the ball

 

[honestbharani]

agreed social but Bond also bowls then in the mid-90s but i am not sure if he can naturally swing the ball

he can. We all saw enough of that during that INd - NZ series, but then again, those pitches weren't the best ones around for batters. So I wonder how much you can take from that.

 

[Demolition Man]

Have to say I liked Ather's reply about some of the Aussies being partial to a bit of crumpet.

The next moment the camera focuses on a certain leg spinner.

I saw that aswell and was very amusing. (albeit a bit wasted on some of the aussie auidence)

 

[vic_orthdox]

agreed social but Bond also bowls then in the mid-90s but i am not sure if he can naturally swing the ball

I think he's somewhere between Tait and Lee - swings the red ball a fair bit more than Lee, but is more adept with the white ball.

 

[social]

agreed social but Bond also bowls then in the mid-90s but i am not sure if he can naturally swing the ball

Sorry, forgot about Bond.

Pre-injury, he looked the most gifted of the lot.

 

[Mister Wright]

well do you still have those views on pup steve???

Who's Steve?

Yes I do, he has looked far from dominating. His test average his barely over 40 and he has had some real problems against the pace bowlers. He also tends to be overly agressive in every situation. If you look at the guys regarded as aggressive batsman like Viv Richards, they had immaculate defensive techniques and knew when they had to dig in. Clarke seems to think he can bash his way out of every situation. Having experience will help you in these situations.

 

[Demolition Man]

u haven't taken a look at some of the Indian wickets, then.

There is a few in NZ that may fall into that scope aswell.

 

[aussie]

There's a few of those wippy little round arm slingers around the world at the moment. There's a west indian and a Sri Lanakan that come to mind.

But I don't care how much you think their actions are different, you can't beat height for a fast bowler.

Look at McGrath bowling at 125kmh

yea i totally agree his height is a big adavantage which gives him an advantage over edwards & malinga even though they all swing the new ball naturally, he will be harder to face.

 

[honestbharani]

There is a few in NZ that may fall into that scope aswell.

yeah, they were those drop in wickets, weren't they? Surprisingly, they did a lot when India were there.

 

[aussie]

Who's Steve?

Yes I do, he has looked far from dominating. His test average his barely over 40 and he has had some real problems against the pace bowlers. He also tends to be overly agressive in every situation. If you look at the guys regarded as aggressive batsman like Viv Richards, they had immaculate defensive techniques and knew when they had to dig in. Clarke seems to think he can bash his way out of every situation. Having experience will help you in these situations.

1. steve, steven isn't ur name steven wright sorry if i called u by an unknown name

2. Well pup is young with experience he may change that agressive nature of his & bat differently i would think.

 

[vic_orthdox]

yeah, they were those drop in wickets, weren't they? Surprisingly, they did a lot when India were there.

Drop in wickets do tend to be a fair bit slower on average. Look at the games at Telstra Dome, and the MCG since they implemented them.

 

[social]

Who's Steve?

Yes I do, he has looked far from dominating. His test average his barely over 40 and he has had some real problems against the pace bowlers. He also tends to be overly agressive in every situation. If you look at the guys regarded as aggressive batsman like Viv Richards, they had immaculate defensive techniques and knew when they had to dig in. Clarke seems to think he can bash his way out of every situation. Having experience will help you in these situations.

He does look a rare talent though and even hard-nosed veterans like Border prefer to see him playing his shots rather than going into his shell.

 

[Demolition Man]

I wouldn't listen to a word those guys say. They were talking absolute tripe last night. While 'Mo' Matthews occasionally says something remotely intelligent, Dean Jones like his career has no idea what he's doing.

Thay both play commentary roles of the guy with the extremist/slightly wacked view point. They are okay when diluted with a Brendon Julian or the like but both of them togeather is somewhat unusual and I dare say slightly stupid.

 

[honestbharani]

Drop in wickets do tend to be a fair bit slower on average. Look at the games at Telstra Dome, and the MCG since they implemented them.

That is what I am saying as well. But they did a lot during that INdia series. But I have no real complaints. They favoured the bowlers 90-10 against the batsmen but as they always say, it was the same for both teams.