***Official*** Australia in England (The Ashes)

[Top_Cat]

there were literally 10 or so LBW shouts that were close (taking off the bails on hawkeye) that aus benefitted on id say, plenty of balls that reversed that they shouldnt have lefft but they did so it hit the pads, and many umpires would have given a handful of them out.

So does the Damien Martyn LBW and Jason Gillespie one (which Hawkeye showed was missing the stumps) cancel a few of those out? Hitting the stumps isn't enough; if it doesn't satisfy the other criteria, it shouldn't be given out. How about Warnie's luck against the two openers in the Edgbaston Test? How about Warnie's luck with LBW's in general? The umpires have been VERY strict with enforcing the LBW's (rightly so in my view; I contend that most umpires aren't strict enough generally) and quite a few would have been given out by other umpires. This does not, however, mean that they should have been given out.

 

[matty1818]

very true, but its still can be considered 'lucky' not to be given out to them.

and the reason why warne gets alot of LBWs turned down is they turn too much.

and the shouts i was talking about all satisfied the necessary 'criteria' for a leg before wicket dismissal excluding the fact that hawkeye claimed it wasn't hitting. Still an element of 'luck' involved purely because the decision was taken out of the batsmens hand, like-wise that a team experiences an element of luck if the other team has a bad day in the field, luck is determined when the batsmen no longer has control over whether his wicket stands.

 

[Jace11]

Just a question about the Ashes coverage in Australia. As I understand it, SBS is showing it and getting record high ratings. After Channel-9 and the others didn't get it, I wondered whether you guys down under get all the same channel-4 coverage that we do?

4 has commentary, usually with one aussie and one english commentator so its pretty balanced. I wondered whether SBS do their own stuff or take the Richie Benaud, Slats Athers etc. Or do they take the pics and have their own people? 4 have lots of annoying advert breaks...

Do you get all technical stuff like "Hawkeye", "Snickometer" etc..?

I think ABC radio takes the Test Match Special radio feed from the matches.

Anyway, next year their will be no live cricket on terrestrial TV in the UK. You guys are lucky you have a law to prevent pay-per-view from stealing all your best sport.

 

[Slats4ever]

marc why are you such a sad sod? you only ever come on here thinking you're all high and mighty and your view somehow has more merit than anyone else's. There's no need to CONSTANTLY make attacks on people in a tone that would suggest that it is personal.

On another note I think the series deserves to be at 1-1. Australia deserved the first win 100%, England deserved the second and third one 75% whilst Australia deserved them for 25% each leaving both teams on 150% all and therefore 1-1 is fair. you know it's true.

I agree with something faiip said earlier about England didn't deserve to win if they couldn't bowl Australia out on the last day on that pitch. The fight that Australia showed on the last day, entitles them to a draw and there's nothing else to it.

Also how good was Jones's ball to dismiss Clarke. It was probably the best ball of the series in my opinion. Pure genius. Both side's captains have been tactically very poor so far. Ponting's blatent underuse of Warne (bringing him on so late) and Vaughan and Trescothick (in his brief time as captain) underuse of Jones. Jones only bowled 7 overs before half way through the middle session and if he were bought on earlier game over.

All is very interesting for the next test but. I can't say that Australia will win 3-1 even though I'd like to. Andy Flintoff is too good, and Englands batting has been sensational.

 

[Adamc]

Just a question about the Ashes coverage in Australia. As I understand it, SBS is showing it and getting record high ratings. After Channel-9 and the others didn't get it, I wondered whether you guys down under get all the same channel-4 coverage that we do?

4 has commentary, usually with one aussie and one english commentator so its pretty balanced. I wondered whether SBS do their own stuff or take the Richie Benaud, Slats Athers etc. Or do they take the pics and have their own people? 4 have lots of annoying advert breaks...

Do you get all technical stuff like "Hawkeye", "Snickometer" etc..?

I think ABC radio takes the Test Match Special radio feed from the matches.

Anyway, next year their will be no live cricket on terrestrial TV in the UK. You guys are lucky you have a law to prevent pay-per-view from stealing all your best sport.

We get the same Channel 4 feed as you, same commentators etc. Only difference is that we have a panel during the breaks consisting of Dean Jones, Greg Matthews and Simon Hill (SBS guy).

 

[social]

Just a question about the Ashes coverage in Australia. As I understand it, SBS is showing it and getting record high ratings. After Channel-9 and the others didn't get it, I wondered whether you guys down under get all the same channel-4 coverage that we do?

4 has commentary, usually with one aussie and one english commentator so its pretty balanced. I wondered whether SBS do their own stuff or take the Richie Benaud, Slats Athers etc. Or do they take the pics and have their own people? 4 have lots of annoying advert breaks...

Do you get all technical stuff like "Hawkeye", "Snickometer" etc..?

I think ABC radio takes the Test Match Special radio feed from the matches.

Anyway, next year their will be no live cricket on terrestrial TV in the UK. You guys are lucky you have a law to prevent pay-per-view from stealing all your best sport.

This series is being covered on both SBS and Pay TV in Aus.

SBS has Channel 4 coverage (Richie, Slats, Athers) whilst Foxtel has Holding, Blewett, Allott etc - not sure where there coverage originates from (Sky?)

We get all the technical stuff which is only just considering we invented it

Home test matches still must be shown on free-to-air whilst away matches are open to highest bidder.

 

[social]

Lucky lucky Aussies! If it hadnt rained the series could well have been over!

Before anyone says it... you didnt deserve the draw... England were superior the whole test match, including today.

So gutted but still think 2-1 or 3-1 are on the cards!

Thank-you, Simmy!

My already sunny disposition this morning has been brightened further by your whinging.

Note to both you and SW - life's much more enjoyable when you concentrate on the positives.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

This series is being covered on both SBS and Pay TV in Aus.

SBS has Channel 4 coverage (Richie, Slats, Athers) whilst Foxtel has Holding, Blewett, Allott etc - not sure where there coverage originates from (Sky?)

We get all the technical stuff which is only just considering we invented it

Home test matches still must be shown on free-to-air whilst away matches are open to highest bidder.

Hawkeye is a UK blokes invention! easily the most important gizmo in cricket tv coverage!

 

[social]

For all those that have criticised KP, Jones and Giles in this test, I'll have you know that UK's Daily Mirror rated their performances 6/10, 8/10 and 8/10 respectively.

Considering that KP dropped 2 catches, generally ran around like an idiot and scored 21 runs in 2 innings, it makes you wonder what you have to do to be considered a failure on their criteria

 

[Shane Warne]

Considering that KP generally ran around like an idiot

He does do that all the time actually, doesn't he?

 

[Top_Cat]

Thank-you, Simmy!

My already sunny disposition this morning has been brightened further by your whinging.

Note to both you and SW - life's much more enjoyable when you concentrate on the positives.

Once again, don't waste your time - he'll be a ghost here next time Australia do well, just like the Lords Test.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

For all those that have called me stupid and arrogant and a bit of a gloating ******* please read this, cos this is what provokes it:
http://forum.cricketweb.net/showthread.php?t=14262

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They're jokes in a newspaper. Who cares? That's like me getting upset about the OT crowd making convict jokes or something.

 

[Jace11]

Yes, I thought so too, I know C4 used it first, something similar is now used in baseball too called K-zone I think, also used in Tennis now too. All for analysis, though I think a friendly cricket tornament soon is going to use it for LBW decisions!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sportacademy/hi/sa/cricket/features/newsid_3625000/3625559.stm
says an ex-buckinghamshire player invented it.

Anyway,

I'm not here to argue about that, or boring post mortums about this decision and that decision etc.

Just interested how the Australian watchers perceived the coverage and atmosphere. I like Richie, Slats etc but find Geoffrey Boycott a bit annoying (though he often talks sense). I know a lot of people here watch the TV but turn the sound down and have the BBC's TMS radio coverage on. (I do too occasionally when Boycotts on).

Also, cricket here is really grabbing the imagination of the public, the start of the football season seems like an unwelcome intrusion. Football has a very poor reputation both on and off the field at the moment (some players last season playing with ankle tags while on remand from prison or awaiting trial, others involved in drink driving, fatal hit and runs, speeding, assault, abusing refs, alleged rapes, drink binges, p0rn videos - you name it, they've done it).

One player punched a 15 year old - a fan of his own team after an autograph, then scrapped with his captain after being told to apologise.

Currently they know no depths.

The visible respect between these two teams despite the fierce nature of their rivalry, is one of the great things that's really turning people onto cricket this summer.

Its just great to watch, and for prolonged tension and excitement, I think it is currently impossible to beat.

 

[honestbharani]

What a great draw! Although, I do think England were easily the better side, congratulations to Australia for hanging in there and making good use of the massive amount of luck they got. It is partly England's fault as well, not hitting the run outs and not having more slips in... But all in all, I start to get the feeling that some of the Aussie batsmen are starting to knuckle down FINALLY and we may see better performances from them in the next two tests. England will have to go back and realize that the Aussie team they will be facing in the next two tests will be a lot tougher to beat than the ones they faced these last two weeks. If they realize it and plan accordingly, I still think a series victory for England is on the cards. If not, Australia will still walk away with the Ashes 3-1, as I had initially predicted or atleast 2-1, as I reversed it after the first day at Lords.

 

[Mister Wright]

as much as i would love to say that Katich shouldn't be dropped, the question has to be asked is an average of 39.75 good enough to stay in the Australian Team.

The 40 odd average that Clarke has isn't much better. I think they should both stay, as should the top 7. The only change I would make is Gillespie out for either MacGill or Kaspa. 2-1 down may have caused more changes, but I think the top 7 are safe for the rest of the series.

 

[age_master]

The 40 odd average that Clarke has isn't much better. I think they should both stay, as should the top 7. The only change I would make is Gillespie out for either MacGill or Kaspa. 2-1 down may have caused more changes, but I think the top 7 are safe for the rest of the series.

probably true bout the top 7, i wouldn't mind seeing Tait come into the side either though, even if it costs the higher economy rate, wickets need to be taken, and he is one guy who is likley to take a few.

 

[age_master]

For all those that have criticised KP, Jones and Giles in this test, I'll have you know that UK's Daily Mirror rated their performances 6/10, 8/10 and 8/10 respectively.

Considering that KP dropped 2 catches, generally ran around like an idiot and scored 21 runs in 2 innings, it makes you wonder what you have to do to be considered a failure on their criteria

Giles would rate an 8 for that perfromance i reakon but KP and Jones should both be under 4, Jones was better, but still awful with the gloves.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Giles would rate an 8 for that perfromance i reakon but KP and Jones should both be under 4, Jones was better, but still awful with the gloves.

Giles went wicketless in the second innings. He was good in the first, but 8/10 is way too high.

 

[age_master]

On another note I think the series deserves to be at 1-1. Australia deserved the first win 100%, England deserved the second and third one 75% whilst Australia deserved them for 25% each leaving both teams on 150% all and therefore 1-1 is fair. you know it's true.

gotta love that logic

 

[age_master]

Giles went wicketless in the second innings. He was good in the first, but 8/10 is way too high.

i honestly don think that there is much more he can do against the Aussie batting attack though