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***Official*** Australia in England (The Ashes)

FaaipDeOiad

FaaipDeOiad

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Warne really worrying here. There's no reason to get out slogging with Gillespie at the other end and Lee to come. Both of them can hold a bat.
 
chalky

chalky

International Debutant
social said:
I thought Jones batted really well in the first innings BUT he remains one of the worst international keepers Ive ever seen.
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I agree before this series I though Jones' batting made up for his poor keeping now though I think he is too much of a liability. Not just his missed chances but also the extras he concedes gonna cost in close match. Still don't think read is the answer though either.
 
social

social

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Why wouldnt Billy have gone to the 3rd umpire for that run out at the bowlers end?

Sweet - follow on avoided.
 
social

social

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SirBloody Idiot said:
Key difference being Warne is a bowler.

Flintoff is ACTUALLY a recognised batsman.
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Warne should really have scored a lot more test runs though.

He's gotten away with it today but if he'd hit one down some-one's throat or Teflon Hands behind the stumps could catch and we'd been forced to follow on, it could've proven costly.
 
FaaipDeOiad

FaaipDeOiad

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social said:
Warne should really have scored a lot more test runs though.

He's gotten away with it today but if he'd hit one down some-one's throat or Teflon Hands behind the stumps could catch and we'd been forced to follow on, it could've proven costly.
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Yeah. Warne is a terminally irresponsible batsman. He seems set on giving himself a single day of glory where he smashes 120 off 90 balls to win a test or something, rather than attempting to play properly and averaging in the mid 20s, which he is more than capable of doing as seen yesterday afternoon, where he played a mature, sensible innings and made 45 chanceless runs before stumps. Today he's made 22 more, and nearly been out 4 or 5 times.
 
wpdavid

wpdavid

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chalky said:
I agree before this series I though Jones' batting made up for his poor keeping now though I think he is too much of a liability. Not just his missed chances but also the extras he concedes gonna cost in close match. Still don't think read is the answer though either.
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There are other altenatives - Foster, Prior & Batty immediately spring to mind. Jones' keeping is completely unacceptable for county level, never mind tests. Let's face it, a club cricketer would be embarassed about missing that stumping. And the idea that his batting compensates is laughable.

I do wonder how long Vaughan can operate only trusting 2 of his bowlers. Hoggard's role seems to be little more than see off the shine for the others & turn out as nigh****chman if needed, Harmison's role is shrinking to South African proportions, and Jones seems to get taken off if he goes more than an over without threatening. Flintoff's going to be crocked by the time he's 30 at this rate.
 
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social

social

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wpdavid said:
There are other altenatives - Foster, Prior & Batty immediately spring to mind. Jones' keeping is completely unacceptable for county level, never mind tests. Let's face it, a club cricketer would be embarassed about missing that stumping. And the idea that his batting compensates is laughable.

I do wonder how long Vaughan can operate only trusting 2 of his bowlers. Hoggard's role seems to be little more than see off the shine for the others & turn out as nigh****chman if needed, Harmison's role is shrinking to South African proportions, and Jones seems to get taken off if he goes more than an over without threatening. Flintoff's going to be crocked by the time he's 30 at this rate.
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Is Harmy injured?

He hardly bowled yesterday and the first spell especially was fairly innocuous.

I can only think that Hoggard is in the team to bowl to Hayden and that's hardly been required. It's a waste of a position really.

They will have to watch the workload on Flintoff. He's a top bowler but generates all pace with his arm/shoulder and that puts enormous stress on the body at the best of times.

I also agree with Tec on this one - why dont they bowl Jones more?
 
chalky

chalky

International Debutant
wpdavid said:
There are other altenatives - Foster, Prior & Batty immediately spring to mind. Jones' keeping is completely unacceptable for county level, never mind tests. Let's face it, a club cricketer would be embarassed about missing that stumping. And the idea that his batting compensates is laughable.

I do wonder how long Vaughan can operate only trusting 2 of his bowlers. Hoggard's role seems to be little more than see off the shine for the others & turn out as nigh****chman if needed, Harmison's role is shrinking to South African proportions, and Jones seems to get taken off if he goes more than an over without threatening. Flintoff's going to be crocked by the time he's 30 at this rate.
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I think on the wicketkeeping England do need a keeper to average at least 30 whilst playing Flintoff at 6. I would definately give Foster a try his glovework has come on leaps & bounds since he played in India, his batting was very good for me in India. I don't think there is any chance of either Harmy or Hoggard being dropped.
 
Scaly piscine

Scaly piscine

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chalky said:
I don't think there is any chance of either Harmy or Hoggard being dropped.
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Certainly not Harmy, who's taken 10 @ 24.40 in this series so far - this compared to the taff who has 9 @ 28.00 or Flintoff who has 12 @ 29.50
 
social

social

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chalky said:
I think on the wicketkeeping England do need a keeper to average at least 30 whilst playing Flintoff at 6. I would definately give Foster a try his glovework has come on leaps & bounds since he played in India, his batting was very good for me in India. I don't think there is any chance of either Harmy or Hoggard being dropped.
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I never thought Foster was that bad. He obviously turned in a shocker or 2 somewhere but, from my recollection, never sunk to the standards of Jones.

I dont think anyone's suggesting Harmy should be dropped - he's the second best quick behind McGrath for mine. But it's a mystery why he's not been bowled more at the moment.
 
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