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*Official* Ashes Series Thread
- Thread starter Neil Pickup
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chris.hinton
International Captain
ANOTHER LOSS
This is rubbish we should have won one game by Now, And it not the Injures the fact is that we are not good Enough GRAVENEY HAS GOT TO GO! he is Worse the Illingworth he is taking English cricket to the dark ages.
[Edited on 10/12/2002 by chris.hinton]
This is rubbish we should have won one game by Now, And it not the Injures the fact is that we are not good Enough GRAVENEY HAS GOT TO GO! he is Worse the Illingworth he is taking English cricket to the dark ages.
[Edited on 10/12/2002 by chris.hinton]
Rik
Cricketer Of The Year
Lame excuses? No, we are trying to find the positives while everyone else seems to be trying to slag off a team who's not performing at the moment but have not done much wrong for about 2-3 years and are now called the worst side in the world...you want the worst side? Look at Bangladesh, 87 all out with a rookie taking 6-3...lay off it will you?
No, I am not trying to slag off England nor am I saying that they are the worst side. I know they aren't. Most other teams would have fared badly in the same situation. However, their performance(test and limited overs) in this tour has been pathetic and that is an indisputable fact and no recalling of past performances can erase that fact.
There seems to be a fine line between finding positives and making excuses as far as this series is concerned. For example, what positives did you find from the fact that England lost to an Aus XI that had very few if any national players? That they were inexperienced..? Aren't these so called fresh & mentally unscarred youngsters the ones who are supposedly going to change England's fortunes in the VB series?
Look, I can understand that you want your team to do well, but I would also suggest that you accept the reality while looking for your "positives".
[Edited on 12/10/2002 by anilramavarma]
Rik
Cricketer Of The Year
Don't worry I wasn't saying you were. I'm just tired of the constant slagging off of England when they aren't doing it against Australia, that's enough to demorilies any team. A least we will get to see more of Gareth Batty who I've been impressed with so far. He showed some fight with the bat.
Legglancer
State Regular
Yes the England team has been performing
well in the last couple of years... but only
in Test Cricket. In ODI's basically they have
totally sucked the last few years. EX: last
year they lost to SL 3-0, then were totally
outplayed and lost all matchers with pakistan
and australia at home.
Subsequently england beat the ZIM's and reached
the final's of a home series with india and
SL, hence the renewed optimisum.
Although I think they are a better team than
18 months ago, England have yet to prove that
they are a Top-Draw ODI team.
well in the last couple of years... but only
in Test Cricket. In ODI's basically they have
totally sucked the last few years. EX: last
year they lost to SL 3-0, then were totally
outplayed and lost all matchers with pakistan
and australia at home.
Subsequently england beat the ZIM's and reached
the final's of a home series with india and
SL, hence the renewed optimisum.
Although I think they are a better team than
18 months ago, England have yet to prove that
they are a Top-Draw ODI team.
Rik
Cricketer Of The Year
Obviously you have never seen Flintoff bat, or the fact that he won a game for England by taking 3 Wickets including 1 and a superb run out in the last over. Obviously you completely missed Collingwood's 71*, Hussain's Century in the Natwest Final, Trescothick's century in that game and when he was in India when he scored a blinding century before being given out to a ball which pitched a long way outside leg. Of course you must have missed Irani's batting and bowling when he single handedly destroyed India in the Natwest Series, or Blackwell's innings against India in the ICC Champion's Trophy. How about Nick Knight's Century and 70 odd against India in the ODI's in India? In order to come up with that statement then obviously you must have missed these performances and many many more.
Neil Pickup
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It's an irrelevant warmup game.
There's no point reading into these too much, just like India being outplayed by CD for two days before a Sanjay special and the rain intervened doesn't mean that India (and Dravid - 0 and 1) are useless.
Pathetic overreactions (Chris!!) don't help anyone, we're just in a divot at the minute and in six months time we'll be fine again. Don't rush to make change on change or, well, Pakistan.
There's no point reading into these too much, just like India being outplayed by CD for two days before a Sanjay special and the rain intervened doesn't mean that India (and Dravid - 0 and 1) are useless.
Pathetic overreactions (Chris!!) don't help anyone, we're just in a divot at the minute and in six months time we'll be fine again. Don't rush to make change on change or, well, Pakistan.
Top_Cat
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Yeah exactly, Choora. Whilst England haven't done so well on this tour thusfar, it's not purely because of a lack of talent. You don't play for your country (particularly the country where the game originated) without being any good.
England have not played well; this isn't in dispute. But to say it's purely because of a lack of talent is wide of the mark somewhat.
England have not played well; this isn't in dispute. But to say it's purely because of a lack of talent is wide of the mark somewhat.
age_master
Hall of Fame Member
yeah enland have abit of talent, Trescothick and Vaughn, they are not the best batsmen in the world but they are pretty good i must say, Kirtley looked good in the Aus A game as well