age_master
Hall of Fame Member
esp with VAughn and tresco out early
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*Official* Ashes Series Thread
- Thread starter Neil Pickup
- Start date
warrioryohannan
U19 Cricketer
Its 33 for 3, England still needs another 430 runs to win the match!
God help England, maybe rain will do wonders for them
God help England, maybe rain will do wonders for them
TendulkarMark2
Banned
What a pathetic display by English side, they managed to score just 79 in the 2nd innings with Australia using just three bowers to get them out, in just 28 overs!!
Shame England Shame!
Shame England Shame!
age_master
Hall of Fame Member
what a display by the aussie boys, brilliant to watch
jaspalsinghrana
School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Just as i said earlier, the Aussies didn't make the same mistake as they did in the England's first innings and the result is in front of all of us!
Man, its must be tuff to be in Naseer's shoes, no wonder he's going bald !:frog:
Man, its must be tuff to be in Naseer's shoes, no wonder he's going bald !:frog:
another dominant Aussie performance courtesy of Matty Hayden at the top of the innings & ably supported by Ponting in the first innings, & then completed by the team effort in the field :O
the predictable changes were made to the team re M Waugh & B Lee (I always think they go with the local hero in any split decision)
another mini collapse in the 1st innings rescued by Warne - another half ton and showing consistancy with the bat as a genuine contributor to the total
I think the batting would be in trouble without Hayden - not only for his runs but also because he demoralises the opposition bowlers and protects the middle order by occupying the crease for soooooo long!!! While just under 500 is a good total in anyone's book after being sent in, I would think the the Aussies would have been a touch disappointed that they did not make more of their opportunity against this weakened attack - without Warne's contribution they would have got rolled for under 400 which would have been criminal in the circumstances!!! The reality is they should have made about 650 odd and not have batted again!!!!!
a bad read of the pitch to put Australia in, combined with the early injury to Jones probably sealed England's fate in the first session of the match....:duh:
pathetic effort by the seam attack - too short, but great character shown on day 2 both fielding and batting resulting in them outplaying the Australians and 'winning' the day. If their lower order / tail (esp White & Hoggard) had contributed with the bat they could have got close to 400 on a flat track.....
I feel they really missed the lack of another bowler in the Aussie 2nd innings when they took Langer & Ponting cheaply - they did not have the bowlers to exploit the opportunity to create further inroads...........:rolleyes:
a disappointing 2nd innings where the English Bulldog fighting spirit was sadly lacking - the batsmen retreated into their shell in survival mode, and virtually handed the match to the Australian bowlers who do not let too many such opportunities go to waste!!!!:rolleyes:
the Jones injury again raises the question re the role of the 12th man & substitutes - why should a batsman be allowed a runner whereas a substitute can not be used for an injury to a bowler (which has a greater effect on the team)???? The 'match' as a competition was effectively over from this point onwards!!!!
I do not see any changes being made to the Australian team, although I am trying to recall Langer's stats for the last couple of series - seems a while since he last contributed with the bat .......
England need to bolster their bowling attack and I expect to see a replacement for White as well as the obvious one for Jones.....
the predictable changes were made to the team re M Waugh & B Lee (I always think they go with the local hero in any split decision)
another mini collapse in the 1st innings rescued by Warne - another half ton and showing consistancy with the bat as a genuine contributor to the total
I think the batting would be in trouble without Hayden - not only for his runs but also because he demoralises the opposition bowlers and protects the middle order by occupying the crease for soooooo long!!! While just under 500 is a good total in anyone's book after being sent in, I would think the the Aussies would have been a touch disappointed that they did not make more of their opportunity against this weakened attack - without Warne's contribution they would have got rolled for under 400 which would have been criminal in the circumstances!!! The reality is they should have made about 650 odd and not have batted again!!!!!
a bad read of the pitch to put Australia in, combined with the early injury to Jones probably sealed England's fate in the first session of the match....:duh:
pathetic effort by the seam attack - too short, but great character shown on day 2 both fielding and batting resulting in them outplaying the Australians and 'winning' the day. If their lower order / tail (esp White & Hoggard) had contributed with the bat they could have got close to 400 on a flat track.....
I feel they really missed the lack of another bowler in the Aussie 2nd innings when they took Langer & Ponting cheaply - they did not have the bowlers to exploit the opportunity to create further inroads...........:rolleyes:
a disappointing 2nd innings where the English Bulldog fighting spirit was sadly lacking - the batsmen retreated into their shell in survival mode, and virtually handed the match to the Australian bowlers who do not let too many such opportunities go to waste!!!!:rolleyes:
the Jones injury again raises the question re the role of the 12th man & substitutes - why should a batsman be allowed a runner whereas a substitute can not be used for an injury to a bowler (which has a greater effect on the team)???? The 'match' as a competition was effectively over from this point onwards!!!!
I do not see any changes being made to the Australian team, although I am trying to recall Langer's stats for the last couple of series - seems a while since he last contributed with the bat .......
England need to bolster their bowling attack and I expect to see a replacement for White as well as the obvious one for Jones.....
Well.... what can you say.
What a batsman Hayden is. His century this afternoon was just extraordinary. He has to be the best batsman in the world at present - the things he's done in the last two years have just been "Bradman-like".
As for England.... I suppose the fact that the top four or five batsman got starts in the first innings would be one good point. And Caddick bowled average-ish too.
However, there are some weaknessess in the Aussie team. As Anzac said, Langer hasn't had a big score in a while (his last 50 was quite a while ago. 1st Test in South Africa?? Maybe even before that). The middle order too looks slightly suspect (i.e. Steve Waugh (lacks confidence, needs good runs) and Lehmann (needs to cement his place)).
The third fast bowler is also a weak point of the Aus. side, and on a flat, fast WACA deck, this weakness *could* be exploited.
So, my team for Adelaide would be unchanged, but I'd sub in Lee for Bichel.
What a batsman Hayden is. His century this afternoon was just extraordinary. He has to be the best batsman in the world at present - the things he's done in the last two years have just been "Bradman-like".
As for England.... I suppose the fact that the top four or five batsman got starts in the first innings would be one good point. And Caddick bowled average-ish too.
However, there are some weaknessess in the Aussie team. As Anzac said, Langer hasn't had a big score in a while (his last 50 was quite a while ago. 1st Test in South Africa?? Maybe even before that). The middle order too looks slightly suspect (i.e. Steve Waugh (lacks confidence, needs good runs) and Lehmann (needs to cement his place)).
The third fast bowler is also a weak point of the Aus. side, and on a flat, fast WACA deck, this weakness *could* be exploited.
So, my team for Adelaide would be unchanged, but I'd sub in Lee for Bichel.
chris.hinton
International Captain
What a mess the English Game is, a lot of thing wrong like the Coaches until we sort it from top to bottom because English cricket is so up it self ( More Funding for Upper Class) and theat is where it going wrong
Gotchya
State Vice-Captain
I guess the English first innings erected false hopes. The batting eventually collapsed under the pressure. It was bound to happen, but the fashion in which it did was perhaps not anticipated.
Now as it stands, England find themselves at familiar crossroads. They were hoping for a different series this time but the script remains as : "Another Shocking and Horrific English Series"
Now as it stands, England find themselves at familiar crossroads. They were hoping for a different series this time but the script remains as : "Another Shocking and Horrific English Series"
Neil Pickup
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For once I'm agreed with Chris... although this is a wider problem with English "society" in general.
What we have to make sure that we do now is not to do as Pakistan did and get totally demoralised and capitulate over and over again. Unfortunately I can't see our bowlers taking 20 wickets anywhere now
Blewy
Cricketer Of The Year
The big question is, can the English fight back or are they crushed like ants....
They showed signs throughout the 1st test they can compete with the Aussies BUT they need to be able to do it for 5 days....
The next tour match could really be the deciding factor, Touring teams have never had any joy playing Australia 'A' and with the likes of Blewett, Clarke, Bevan, Katich, Lee and many many more looking to impress selectors they will face yet another tough task...
If the Aussie 'A' side does what it did to England on their last tour here, they might as well go home cause they will be mentally demolished..
BUT if they can put up a fight and really stick it to Aussie A then the 2nd test @ the Adelaide Oval could be a better match...
They showed signs throughout the 1st test they can compete with the Aussies BUT they need to be able to do it for 5 days....
The next tour match could really be the deciding factor, Touring teams have never had any joy playing Australia 'A' and with the likes of Blewett, Clarke, Bevan, Katich, Lee and many many more looking to impress selectors they will face yet another tough task...
If the Aussie 'A' side does what it did to England on their last tour here, they might as well go home cause they will be mentally demolished..
BUT if they can put up a fight and really stick it to Aussie A then the 2nd test @ the Adelaide Oval could be a better match...
The Argonaut
State Vice-Captain
The England 2nd innings was the result of the pressure that Australia can put on teams. They get on a roll and there's not much that can be done.
The roll started early on day 4 as the England bowlers were simply woeful bowling way too short. Hoggard and White in particular were guilty. Throughout the test Hoggard and Caddick showed their class but only in patches. Caddick ball to Ponting was particularly good.
The pitch was a starnge one for Brisbane. They don't usually crack like that. Still England couldn't use it to their advantage in the morning.
The batting also showed signs of class with all of the top order getting runs at stages. The worrying sign is that a couple of personal battles are being lost, ie. McGrath v Vaughan and Gillespie v Trescothick.
Stewart was pretty unlucky to get his pair. You know it's not your day when you get out to a freak catch and as you're walking off you get hit on the shoulder by the ball after the catcher has thrown it in the air.
The next match will be very important. The also rans need a match to strive for position. How about this line up.
Key, Vaughan, Stewart, Hussain, Crawley, Flintoff, Foster, White, Dawson, Tudor, Harmison (if fit) or Silverwood.
Brett Lee won't play for the A side as he was in the first XII and has returned to form over the weekend just gone even though it was against a pretty ordinary Tasmanian side.
Langer and Waugh need runs. Langer needs to get his head down and turn these 20s and 30s into 50s and 100s.
The roll started early on day 4 as the England bowlers were simply woeful bowling way too short. Hoggard and White in particular were guilty. Throughout the test Hoggard and Caddick showed their class but only in patches. Caddick ball to Ponting was particularly good.
The pitch was a starnge one for Brisbane. They don't usually crack like that. Still England couldn't use it to their advantage in the morning.
The batting also showed signs of class with all of the top order getting runs at stages. The worrying sign is that a couple of personal battles are being lost, ie. McGrath v Vaughan and Gillespie v Trescothick.
Stewart was pretty unlucky to get his pair. You know it's not your day when you get out to a freak catch and as you're walking off you get hit on the shoulder by the ball after the catcher has thrown it in the air.
The next match will be very important. The also rans need a match to strive for position. How about this line up.
Key, Vaughan, Stewart, Hussain, Crawley, Flintoff, Foster, White, Dawson, Tudor, Harmison (if fit) or Silverwood.
Brett Lee won't play for the A side as he was in the first XII and has returned to form over the weekend just gone even though it was against a pretty ordinary Tasmanian side.
Langer and Waugh need runs. Langer needs to get his head down and turn these 20s and 30s into 50s and 100s.
Paid The Umpire
All Time Legend
Flashes of brillance washed away with sections of shockingness...
chris.hinton
International Captain
My viwes on England and how to change them
It crap that we did that against the Aussies but lets fact it they are the BEST team in sport IMO.
The English game need a crackdown as not good at top level as we thought it would be.
Suggestions
1) Scrap Central Contracts but have 6 regional teams in place so they can play against each other therefore the system will be better, with a feeder system from the County game
The Likes s of Caddick, Vaughan, Butcher could play this week in week out and it could be a Better test for them
Squad could be on the same lines as the states and are then only allowed to play regional cricket , this will devalue the Counties but do you want a Great england team
2) County Championship down to"Semi-pro" status and more youth orientated. Have less matches but have more Local matches so the crowd will get better, Counties will basically be Club Cricket based players
3) Keep the Natwest trophy and style it like crickets FA Cup add University sides to it and also have the best players playing in it therefore it is now the major competition and will be crickets fa cup
4) Get rid of the old fart, it may sound Ageist but a lot are Destorying the game even at Club/Village level. Coaches are not with the times in England like they used to and have a lot of ideas which would suit the 60s and they dont have faith in Leg-spinners
5) Give Terry Jenner more Money to coach leg-spinners and tell the coaches to understand them and Encourage them to the max!
they are brilliant leggies in the system but are not used or given the chance to shine, Warne consided 10 off 1 over in the test but Waugh had faith and left him on it would not happen over here we are too defensive in the county for too many years
6) Keep the Acadamy as it will work with more chance but have England A in the Summer and play against other Touring Counties i dont underatnd why we did not have that.
7) Bring in Techinal coaches to sort out the players
It crap that we did that against the Aussies but lets fact it they are the BEST team in sport IMO.
The English game need a crackdown as not good at top level as we thought it would be.
Suggestions
1) Scrap Central Contracts but have 6 regional teams in place so they can play against each other therefore the system will be better, with a feeder system from the County game
The Likes s of Caddick, Vaughan, Butcher could play this week in week out and it could be a Better test for them
Squad could be on the same lines as the states and are then only allowed to play regional cricket , this will devalue the Counties but do you want a Great england team
2) County Championship down to"Semi-pro" status and more youth orientated. Have less matches but have more Local matches so the crowd will get better, Counties will basically be Club Cricket based players
3) Keep the Natwest trophy and style it like crickets FA Cup add University sides to it and also have the best players playing in it therefore it is now the major competition and will be crickets fa cup
4) Get rid of the old fart, it may sound Ageist but a lot are Destorying the game even at Club/Village level. Coaches are not with the times in England like they used to and have a lot of ideas which would suit the 60s and they dont have faith in Leg-spinners
5) Give Terry Jenner more Money to coach leg-spinners and tell the coaches to understand them and Encourage them to the max!
they are brilliant leggies in the system but are not used or given the chance to shine, Warne consided 10 off 1 over in the test but Waugh had faith and left him on it would not happen over here we are too defensive in the county for too many years
6) Keep the Acadamy as it will work with more chance but have England A in the Summer and play against other Touring Counties i dont underatnd why we did not have that.
7) Bring in Techinal coaches to sort out the players