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Neser is Fleming-level. A genuinely test quality bowler who should've played more. Abbot is a regular Adam Dale who just doesn't belong to the highest level despite what he does in FC.
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**Official** 4th Test at Melbourne, 26-30 Dec 2024
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Dale was a much better bowler than Abbott
Not quick enough for tests in all conditions but an outstanding fc bowler
Abbott is not much more than an honest toiler
Prince EWS
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Abbott's not really outstanding in FC cricket himself. I like him but there are definitely more effective Shield bowlers he's been picked ahead of. Averaging >30 in the Shield in this era is very meh when you consider Paris and O'Neill average less than 20. Dale averaged 21 as well in a much tougher Shield era for bowling.
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Many thought that Boland was just an average fc bowler when picked but that ignored the fact that he had a really good fc record and especially when you consider that he was bowling on roads at MCG & Junction
Abbott is nowhere near that class
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Gabba pitch was usually pretty green though. Which is what made Hayden's FC numbers so ridiculous
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Yeah but now all the pitches are green except Junction Oval and the batting also sucks.
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Yeah I was just commenting on Dale specifically. Queensland in the 90s was almost like Tasmania in the early 2010s where Faulkner and Butterworth were averaging low 20s
the big bambino
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If Wilson made the right call in the first place it wouldn't have needed the 3rd ump to correct it. No conspiracy - just the protocols working. Besides I don't see the distinction you're making. Except they went quickly to snicko in Rahul's case which seems picky. Both incidences were reviewed in the same way - 3rd ump had a look at the replays and then snicko. What's the difference?
the big bambino
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If Neser's fit problem solved and he'd come in for Marsh.
Shady Slim
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rohit sharma is dead and test cricket is alive baby! i missed the last day's play as i was catching the coach back up from my dad's but i followed on cricinfo and the boys in my cricket team group chat going off with every ebb and floe of the game.
real match of what if's for india - i think it's hard to put too much on the jaiswal runout, because there's too much butterfly effect after that incl the nitish ton to say that it changed all too much - but in both second digs, jeez so many what if's. i feel for jaiswal because even though he more than redeemed himself with the bat, some of those drops were enormous whiffs, both for their simplicity and for what they meant in the game. rohit's tantrums were so unbecoming of a captain though. properly disgraceful. speaking of, though he did have a pretty bad get out shot in the second dig, chasing it wasn't actually out of the question then so he at least had a reason to try and up the ante scoringly. cf virat and pant whose shots to get out were both just unforgivable. pant's especially so because he did something equally stupid in the first dig.
meantime
a lot of talk about india's support for bumrah lacking, but in the second dig they all bowled really well as a unit. akash deep has bowled particularly great in the series and his figures deceive, and siraj, who imho can be good when his head is in the game, really locked in. bumrah, superlative, seems there just aren't words to describe it. but all that said, the heroism of pat cummins and scott boland will be remembered for a long time. really easy to forget that the last time we didn't lose to india in a test series was way back in 2014-15! and now a huge part of why we have the ascendancy is the all round wizardry and leadership of pat cummins, and return to excellence of scott boland. it would have been easy to think he was done after england kinda rinsed him in england, but he's come back with a vengeance against the team we haven't been able to beat. enormous. i don't have words for the way cummins bowls and leads and to see him and bumrah toe to toe is an immense privilege!
real match of what if's for india - i think it's hard to put too much on the jaiswal runout, because there's too much butterfly effect after that incl the nitish ton to say that it changed all too much - but in both second digs, jeez so many what if's. i feel for jaiswal because even though he more than redeemed himself with the bat, some of those drops were enormous whiffs, both for their simplicity and for what they meant in the game. rohit's tantrums were so unbecoming of a captain though. properly disgraceful. speaking of, though he did have a pretty bad get out shot in the second dig, chasing it wasn't actually out of the question then so he at least had a reason to try and up the ante scoringly. cf virat and pant whose shots to get out were both just unforgivable. pant's especially so because he did something equally stupid in the first dig.
meantime
a lot of talk about india's support for bumrah lacking, but in the second dig they all bowled really well as a unit. akash deep has bowled particularly great in the series and his figures deceive, and siraj, who imho can be good when his head is in the game, really locked in. bumrah, superlative, seems there just aren't words to describe it. but all that said, the heroism of pat cummins and scott boland will be remembered for a long time. really easy to forget that the last time we didn't lose to india in a test series was way back in 2014-15! and now a huge part of why we have the ascendancy is the all round wizardry and leadership of pat cummins, and return to excellence of scott boland. it would have been easy to think he was done after england kinda rinsed him in england, but he's come back with a vengeance against the team we haven't been able to beat. enormous. i don't have words for the way cummins bowls and leads and to see him and bumrah toe to toe is an immense privilege!
Line and Length
Cricketer Of The Year
Best pace bowling in Australia?
By Australians:
Scott Boland (In 8 Tests 39 @ 13.92 can't be overlooked)
Pat Cummins (172 @ 20.03)
D.K.Lillee (I rate him ahead of McGrath. Similar averages but against better batsmen)
By visitors:
Jasprit Bumrah (incredible figures)
Curtly Ambrose (78 @ 19.79 including one series with 33 @ 16.42)
John Snow (an Ashes winning performance)
By Australians:
Scott Boland (In 8 Tests 39 @ 13.92 can't be overlooked)
Pat Cummins (172 @ 20.03)
D.K.Lillee (I rate him ahead of McGrath. Similar averages but against better batsmen)
By visitors:
Jasprit Bumrah (incredible figures)
Curtly Ambrose (78 @ 19.79 including one series with 33 @ 16.42)
John Snow (an Ashes winning performance)
Very good analysis and 100% agree with this. Obviously, Jhye will get picked, hes Hazlewood level of quality. played 3 tests, has 11 wickets @ 22 AVE, 110 FC wickets @ 20. hes pretty damn good.
smellcricketintheair
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It is the application of the protocol. Rahul was awarded one single view for less than 5 seconds . It is so abrupt that you couldn't even see his thighs or head in the frame, which clearly showed a gap between bat and ball. But immediately snicko was flashed cutting the screen in half and everyone convinced it nicked based on snicko, contrary to the visual evidence. The snicko shown was also not conclusive when it produced the spike (looked like after it pass the bat, but no repeat back and fro on snicko either)....Compare that with Jaiswal dismissal, where they spent more than a minute on just visual evidences before going to snicko.
Spark
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Pretty much everyone agreed ages back that the way the Rahul dismissal was done in Perth wasn't right, I don't see what the point of constantly dragging it out is. It's a different game, with a different third umpire, dealing with a different set of circumstances.
isnt Neser and Sutherland injured. Sutherland only cleared to play BBL. Neser is mostly injured these days and hes over 34 years old.
Fergus O Neill, 23 years old, is a better prospect.
smellcricketintheair
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Everyone agrees that Jaiswal is clearly out and it had absolutely no bearing on the result of the game. Indian team pretty much was in self destruction mode already. The only reason this was brought up is to point out the double standards in application of Snicko in the same series and also to many of the pundits who exhibited same double standards. I agree its a different umpire, but I personally feel the 3rd umpire is at the mercy of technical team behind it. The moment snicko was flashed so early in Rahul's case, it was a shut and close case , without giving victim a fair trail.
Spark
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The technical team just shows the umpires what they request. If the umpire wants to move onto Snicko immediately then that's what'll happen, same as if they decide they want to watch the replay a half million times.
smellcricketintheair
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Normally yes, but I don't think it was the case here in Rahul's dismissal. You really think 3rd umpire asked for snicko within 5 seconds after being shown one half of a frame?
Son Of Coco
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Is he fit enough for a 5 day test?