NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
I look forward to us rolling South Africa cheap and NZ chasing the target 2 down with young not getting a second chance to redeem himself and forever be discarded.
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*Official* 2024 South Africa tour of New Zealand: 2 tests
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Immenso
International Vice-Captain
Towards end of day 1 when I was driving home, listening to the radio comms. John Bracewell was talking about upcoming second new ball, and how he thought the match would quickly progress when we got there. He was sort of right, the next morning O'Rourke mopped up with a 10 over old ball.
Anyway, my actual point is : in the Southee/Boult days I would really look forward to this point where the quirk of this sport means you can get 20 consecutive overs with the new ball by your opening bowlers with the overnight break. But instead I was internally bemoaning that half of these 20 overs were going to be wasted by Ole Man River 2 , before the young blood could get their hands on a hard rock
Anyway. O'Rourke got the newish ball anyway, so 'fears' were unfounded anyway.
Anyway, my actual point is : in the Southee/Boult days I would really look forward to this point where the quirk of this sport means you can get 20 consecutive overs with the new ball by your opening bowlers with the overnight break. But instead I was internally bemoaning that half of these 20 overs were going to be wasted by Ole Man River 2 , before the young blood could get their hands on a hard rock
Anyway. O'Rourke got the newish ball anyway, so 'fears' were unfounded anyway.
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Yeah obviously Jesse is the biggest of all-time, but for piss-based reasons. For pure talent that wasn't realised, Young is getting into dangerous territory as the #1.
Having said, I was surprised to look at his record and he's only played six innings not as an opener.
Hurricane2
U19 Cricketer
You should change your username from King Kane to King Jinx.
Starfighter
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Good to see another leg spinner in the Dick Tyldesley mould in the form of Shaun von Berg. Shame he didn't cadge a wicket.
anonymouskefe
School Boy/Girl Captain
Yeah and looks like he can go bowl quicker to more consistently with the right tweaks. Those bottom 3 are concerning
BeeGee
International Captain
Indeed.
It's a pity Southee is undroppable. NZ loves their specialist captains. Geoff Howarth, Lee Germon and now Southee.
BeeGee
International Captain
I'm a huge Wagner fan but it's Wagner OR Southee, not both. And even though Wagner has bowled better and batted better than Southee in this match, we're stuck with Southee.
Chin Music
State Vice-Captain
From an outsider's view, Southee has never been that quick so that isn't so much of an issue for him. It is more a concern if he's not taking wickets. It appears to me though that Wagner is right at the end of his useful life, as he has essentially been for the last year or two, but Henry seems a surprise.
anonymouskefe
School Boy/Girl Captain
Especially seeing as a I saw Henry send one down at 144 kph against Pakistan
BeeGee
International Captain
I do. I think the SA spinners are going to have a field day against NZ batting last. We shall see.
Flem274*
123/5
Southee at his peak was 135-140 with the occassional burster at higher pace (thinking the 145kph reverse swing spell in the West Indies).
Since the at least Melbourne test he's been a medium pacer. It has been somewhat masked because he's feasted on a steady diet of subcontinental batsmen who can't bat against right arm outswing from a taller bowler on pitches with pace and bounce, but Australian batsmen call that domestic cricket.
I think there was a back injury around 2016(?) that cut off his top end speed. When he's hitting the deck hard he's fine, but he has this tendency to slip into bowling along the deck with early gentle swing that is just a recipe to get smashed by SENA sides. It comes and goes, but he's 35, so the rope should be shorter than it used to be.
Since the at least Melbourne test he's been a medium pacer. It has been somewhat masked because he's feasted on a steady diet of subcontinental batsmen who can't bat against right arm outswing from a taller bowler on pitches with pace and bounce, but Australian batsmen call that domestic cricket.
I think there was a back injury around 2016(?) that cut off his top end speed. When he's hitting the deck hard he's fine, but he has this tendency to slip into bowling along the deck with early gentle swing that is just a recipe to get smashed by SENA sides. It comes and goes, but he's 35, so the rope should be shorter than it used to be.
jcas0167
International Debutant
A little before my time but this sounds unfair on Geoff Howarth?
Gnske
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Makes sense, he's spineless and i'm not sure why you're all okay with him playing like trash test after test. You all defend him like he's bowling jesus or something