nz man4man better than australia

[Somerset]

They should have tried opening with vettori in this match, or in the next too

I don't think we need to go to the extremes of opening the batting with Vettori, Fleming and Astle aren't in the greatest form but we should stick with them and hope they'll perform in the final two ODIs.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

They should have tried opening with vettori in this match, or in the next too

I don't know... do you really think he could handle Lee and McGrath with the new ball? I think the key for New Zealand is not losing any wickets in the first 5 or 10 overs and giving themselves a decent platform. 0 or 1 for 40 after 10 and they would be in a decent position given the relative weakness of the 4th and 5th Australian bowlers. I'd pick Fleming and Astle over anybody else in the side to give them this start.

 

[marc71178]

Has Hogg got a test century and 8 50s?

Relevance to ODIs?

 

[Fiery]

Relevance to ODIs?

Batting ability

 

[marc71178]

Different games.

If you want to use that, but ignore domestic records...

 

[anzac]

I don't know... do you really think he could handle Lee and McGrath with the new ball? I think the key for New Zealand is not losing any wickets in the first 5 or 10 overs and giving themselves a decent platform. 0 or 1 for 40 after 10 and they would be in a decent position given the relative weakness of the 4th and 5th Australian bowlers. I'd pick Fleming and Astle over anybody else in the side to give them this start.

this has been their basic tactic for some time - preservation of wickets to build a platform for the 'hitters' in the lower order..............unfortunately it does not always work esp against the top teams.........

I haven't looked at the stats but I'd be interested to see what the partnerships have been for the opening wicket since Astle's return..............

 

[Fiery]

Different games.

If you want to use that, but ignore domestic records...

Test match stats have more sway than domestic records.
Different competitions as well. Domestic batting averages are about 10 runs lower in NZ compared to Australia with the bowler friendly pitches we tend to have here.

 

[marc71178]

Test match stats have more sway than domestic records.

But when 1 of the 2 hasn't had the opportunity to play then they mean nothing.

 

[Ming]

They should have tried opening with vettori in this match, or in the next too

McCullum is a better option.

 

[Sir Redman]

I don't know... do you really think he could handle Lee and McGrath with the new ball? I think the key for New Zealand is not losing any wickets in the first 5 or 10 overs and giving themselves a decent platform. 0 or 1 for 40 after 10 and they would be in a decent position given the relative weakness of the 4th and 5th Australian bowlers. I'd pick Fleming and Astle over anybody else in the side to give them this start.

Thats the tactic we're trying to use now and it has failed us 3 times from 3. For the next game I think we should just try and whack Lee. Astle in particular gets out when he scratches around trying to stay in

 

[LongHopCassidy]

Better to have Fleming and Astle in the middle overs, to counter the part-timers.

Maybe even have Cairns open..........he'd relish the challenge of facing Lee and McGrath and have the fielding restrictions on his side.

 

[Fiery]

But when 1 of the 2 hasn't had the opportunity to play then they mean nothing.

Yeah, it means that one of them isn't good enough

 

[Top_Cat]

When Warnie is the number 1 spinner in the side and Stuey MacGill the second, 99.9999999% of the population wouldn't good enough. Bit harsh, mate.

 

[Fiery]

When Warnie is the number 1 spinner in the side and Stuey MacGill the second, 99.9999999% of the population wouldn't good enough. Bit harsh, mate.

Still means that he's not good enough to get in the side. I'll put it another way. Brad Hogg hasn't played test cricket so we aren't able to judge how good a batter he is at that level. Vettori has shown he is quite a good batsman at test level. He may be unorthodox and ungainly looking when he bats but if I had to have one of them bat for my life then I would go with Vettori.

 

[Scallywag]

Still means that he's not good enough to get in the side. I'll put it another way. Brad Hogg hasn't played test cricket so we aren't able to judge how good a batter he is at that level. Vettori has shown he is quite a good batsman at test level. He may be unorthodox and ungainly looking when he bats but if I had to have one of them bat for my life then I would go with Vettori.

If someone had to bat for your life Fiery I'd go for McGrath.

 

[Fiery]

If someone had to bat for your life Fiery I'd go for McGrath.

That's real funny Scallywag. Wanting someone to die Once again you've cracked yourself up and ended your post with

 

[nibbs]

fleming is obviously the best batsmen out of the 2 sides. who is number two? astle in my opinion

 

[LongHopCassidy]

Yep, without a doubt.

It's so frustrating how NZ outclass us in bowling as well. We just can't take a trick! And don't get me started on the huge gap between McCullum and Gilchrist as keeper-batsmen...........

What was the last post you made that had nothing to do with fashion, horrific social choices or NZ bias?

 

[Fiery]

Yep, without a doubt.

It's so frustrating how NZ outclass us in bowling as well. We just can't take a trick! And don't get me started on the huge gap between McCullum and Gilchrist as keeper-batsmen...........

What was the last post you made that had nothing to do with fashion, horrific social choices or NZ bias?

I think he's being facetious LongHopCassidy. You've been faceted again

 

[LongHopCassidy]

I was countering with sarcasm..............

Now I feel like simple faeces.