nz man4man better than australia

[marc71178]

None - where did I claim I had?
How much has Harris played, incidentally?

By denying his place is in jeapardy you clearly know that there's no-one performing in domestic cricket to replace him.

 

[Richard]

It does.

A wicket ever 15 overs means that sides enter the last 10 with 2 or 3 down - that brings carnage.

Not if the bowling's good it doesn't.

 

[Richard]

By denying his place is in jeapardy you clearly know that there's no-one performing in domestic cricket to replace him.

All I'm saying is that there's plenty currently in the side who aren't good enough to play ahead of him.

 

[BlackCap_Fan]

What about his fielding? Anyone remember that brilliant catch to dismiss Gibbs (I think) against South Africa in ' 04? Fielding at it's best.

 

[marc71178]

Not if the bowling's good it doesn't.

A fallacy.

If the wickets remain, runs come regardless of the bowling.

 

[benchmark00]

how the hell is it a close battle between hogg and vettori?
vettori beats hogg in both departments.

How is Vettori better in batting?

Hogg - Avg: 24.....2, 50's
Vettori - Avg: 14....1, 50

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Right. Vettori is certainly a much better player, but Hogg has batted in the top order for his state in the strongest domestic competition in the world, not to mention having a vastly superior batting record in ODIs. He is unquestionably a superior batsman.

 

[Fiery]

Right. Vettori is certainly a much better player, but Hogg has batted in the top order for his state in the strongest domestic competition in the world, not to mention having a vastly superior batting record in ODIs. He is unquestionably a superior batsman.

Has Hogg got a test century and 8 50s? There's not much in it when comparing their batting, especially with Vettori's current batting form. He is "unquestionable a superior" bowler though

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Has Hogg got a test century and 8 50s? There's not much in it when comparing their batting, especially with Vettori's current batting form. He is "unquestionable a superior" bowler though

He's only played four tests, so obviously not. Vettori has one 50 to Hogg's two in three times as many ODIs however, and when you compare their FC records...

Vettori has 2596 runs in 100 matches @ 22.00 with 2 hundreds and 14 fifties, with a HS of 137*.

Hogg has 3571 runs in 89 matches @ 34.66 with 4 hundreds and 24 fifties, with a HS of 158.

As I said, unquestionably a better batsman.

 

[Fiery]

He's only played four tests, so obviously not. Vettori has one 50 to Hogg's two in three times as many ODIs however, and when you compare their FC records...

Vettori has 2596 runs in 100 matches @ 22.00 with 2 hundreds and 14 fifties, with a HS of 137*.

Hogg has 3571 runs in 89 matches @ 34.66 with 4 hundreds and 24 fifties, with a HS of 158.

As I said, unquestionably a better batsman.

I would still rather have Vettori coming in if the side was 120/7

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

I would still rather have Vettori coming in if the side was 120/7

Well, I wouldn't. Simply put, Vettori is a bowler who can bat a bit and Hogg is an all-rounder. Not a top notch all-rounder mind you, but he's still a much better batsman than Vettori, Pathan, Gillespie and those other bowlers who can bat a bit.

 

[Fiery]

Well, I wouldn't. Simply put, Vettori is a bowler who can bat a bit and Hogg is an all-rounder. Not a top notch all-rounder mind you, but he's still a much better batsman than Vettori, Pathan, Gillespie and those other bowlers who can bat a bit.

Not with the batting form that Vettori is in. 2 State Shield centuries in a row and 83 against Aus in the last couple of weeks.

 

[tooextracool]

How is Vettori better in batting?

Hogg - Avg: 24.....2, 50's
Vettori - Avg: 14....1, 50

vettoris average will get better, for me vettori's test performances show that he is clearly a fairly good batsman, even if hes underperformed in ODIs.

 

[benchmark00]

vettoris average will get better, for me vettori's test performances show that he is clearly a fairly good batsman, even if hes underperformed in ODIs.

How can you possibly say he's average is going to get better? theres no doubt dan is a better bowler, just as theres no doubt hogg is a better batter, esp in ODI, but also in First Class...

 

[tooextracool]

we'll see about that. i rate vettori as having more potential with the bat than hogg irrespective of domestic cricket. nonetheless it still doesnt change the fact that no one would have doubts as to picking vettori over hogg in ODIs

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

we'll see about that. i rate vettori as having more potential with the bat than hogg irrespective of domestic cricket. nonetheless it still doesnt change the fact that no one would have doubts as to picking vettori over hogg in ODIs

Yep.

 

[thierry henry]

Hogg is definitely a better batsman than Vettori. And as for bowling, well, Vettori is more economical, but that's about it.

 

[Blaze]

Right. Vettori is certainly a much better player, but Hogg has batted in the top order for his state in the strongest domestic competition in the world, not to mention having a vastly superior batting record in ODIs. He is unquestionably a superior batsman.

Vettori made back to back hundreds opening the batting for his province. Ok its a weaker competition but still I think their batting abilities at the moment are equal and over time Vettori will end up the better batsman

 

[shaka]

They should have tried opening with vettori in this match, or in the next too

 

[Right arm fast]

yea a little variation in the order cant hurt