southern man
U19 Cricketer
Also is Wasim a qualafied Kiwi now it doesnt say he is an overseas player.
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NZ Domestic Transfers - 2004/2005
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Tim
Cricketer Of The Year
Wasim won't ever be picked for NZ..and that's not because he is of different nationality. If he had come here back in 1999, he might have had a chance but not anymore. His age is a factor and NZ currently are experiencing probably their biggest boom in decent opening batsmen.
southern man
U19 Cricketer
No its just the fact that we might be able to get another overseas player if he cane be seen as a local.
southern man
U19 Cricketer
Yea but it would be hard to drop any of the other players down the order, We have a resnibley long tail.
Dougie Rydal
Cricket Spectator
Aaron Redmond v James Ward
I had to laugh when reading an article in the Ch-Ch Press this morning, when Craig Thiele (selector) was quoted as saying ' With Aaron (Redmond) going we needed to have another spinner,"
They were the ones who made it clear to Redmond that he wouldn't offered another contract with Canty, so he then made plans and contacted Otago and decided to move on down there.
I have faced James Ward many times and he's pretty much a run of the mill average left arm spinner, nice guy, but not terribly threatening, and he's hardly been playing any cricket for the last few years.
For thos wanting to know more about him, check this link out, it's an article from the Press this morning
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/thepress/0,2106,2973103a6429,00.html
I think Redmond has suffered from a lack of confidence and a few off field issues, but had just spent last year getting back to his best. I think he also suffered from the fact that him (and Canty) weren't too sure where to bat him, they tried opening (whihc he does in club cricket), and then anywhere from 5 down to 8...
I had to laugh when reading an article in the Ch-Ch Press this morning, when Craig Thiele (selector) was quoted as saying ' With Aaron (Redmond) going we needed to have another spinner,"
They were the ones who made it clear to Redmond that he wouldn't offered another contract with Canty, so he then made plans and contacted Otago and decided to move on down there.
I have faced James Ward many times and he's pretty much a run of the mill average left arm spinner, nice guy, but not terribly threatening, and he's hardly been playing any cricket for the last few years.
For thos wanting to know more about him, check this link out, it's an article from the Press this morning
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/thepress/0,2106,2973103a6429,00.html
I think Redmond has suffered from a lack of confidence and a few off field issues, but had just spent last year getting back to his best. I think he also suffered from the fact that him (and Canty) weren't too sure where to bat him, they tried opening (whihc he does in club cricket), and then anywhere from 5 down to 8...
Will Scarlet
U19 Debutant
Tim McIntosh's move?
While Tim McIntosh's average last year was OK but he scored most of his runs at the start of the season. I think he should have gone to ND where he would have stood out like a sore thumb. While Papps and Shannon Stewart are around McIntosh may struggle to get selected.
Don't get me wrong, I think he is a good future player for NZ. I don't think he will get there before Jamie How though. How should be opening with Richardson ahead of Papps because one of the openers needs to attack the bowling, to put pressure on and keep up the scoring rate.
Good luck to Jessie Ryder at Wellington. Also hope Andrew Schwass can get over his injury problems and show his skills this summer.
Hopefully Fulton, Taylor, or Sinclair get to play in the ICC Championship instead of Styrus and/or McMillan. I'd prefer they dropped McMillan because Styrus is a useful ODI bowler. Has the squad been named yet?
While Tim McIntosh's average last year was OK but he scored most of his runs at the start of the season. I think he should have gone to ND where he would have stood out like a sore thumb. While Papps and Shannon Stewart are around McIntosh may struggle to get selected.
Don't get me wrong, I think he is a good future player for NZ. I don't think he will get there before Jamie How though. How should be opening with Richardson ahead of Papps because one of the openers needs to attack the bowling, to put pressure on and keep up the scoring rate.
Good luck to Jessie Ryder at Wellington. Also hope Andrew Schwass can get over his injury problems and show his skills this summer.
Hopefully Fulton, Taylor, or Sinclair get to play in the ICC Championship instead of Styrus and/or McMillan. I'd prefer they dropped McMillan because Styrus is a useful ODI bowler. Has the squad been named yet?
Mingster
State Regular
Tim McIntosh is a proven FC performer, and he has shown that for a few years now. Why would he want to go to ND? The primary reason he wanted to shift to Canterbury is because of the superior pitches on offer down south. Shannan Stewart, at this stage is only a good OD player, and has failed to cement a side in the FC team. McIntosh will be a definite starter for the side. ND already have a few handy batsmen at their disposal, J Marshall, N Horsley, L Howell, G Robinson and with Orchard and some of the Black Caps available. McIntosh made the right decision going down to Canterbury to further his One-Day career.Will Scarlet said:
Oh yeah, and Papps can't score quickly?
He scored a run-a-ball 130 odd in the State Shield last year, and has shown enough in ODIs too that he can accelerate the scoring when needed. Jamie How last year was playing second-fiddle on the attacking front to Craig Spearman, so I don't know where you got the idea from Sydney that he can score faster than say Papps.
I have read enough to see you are a joke, seriously. Drop Scott Styris for ODIs when he has been one of our better performers over the last year or two? Really, please can you watch some cricket before you suggest someone to be dropped because Styris is one of our key batsmen in the ODI side.
Will Scarlet
U19 Debutant
Tim McIntosh over-rated, but talented
Tim McIntosh's form at the end of last season was terrible! How can you say that ND's (and I'm an ND supporter) batting lineup is now HANDY with only the inclusion of Howell? They were the worst team in the competition last year, and it was simply because they could score enough runs! I am pleased to see Howell given a chance at ND though.
Jamie How scored more runs in both forms of the game (in NZ) than Spearman last year, though he played three more FC matches. Get your facts right. How also played for NZ A vs SL A. And I'm a big fan of Spearman.
Papps is good but he struggled to get anything like a decent scoring rate in the ODIs or tests. While he averages 51 in ODIs he scored very slow. So why was he dropped from the ODI team? I know he had a finger problems but he was available.
And how long do you keep saying, "Someone is one of our best batsmen over the years", before you drop them during a form slump? I don't see you supporting McMillan's case for reselection! That kind of thinking kept leeches like Parore in the BCs for far too long. NZ won the NatWest series because Flemming, Astle, and Marshall performed so well.
Tim McIntosh's form at the end of last season was terrible! How can you say that ND's (and I'm an ND supporter) batting lineup is now HANDY with only the inclusion of Howell? They were the worst team in the competition last year, and it was simply because they could score enough runs! I am pleased to see Howell given a chance at ND though.
Jamie How scored more runs in both forms of the game (in NZ) than Spearman last year, though he played three more FC matches. Get your facts right. How also played for NZ A vs SL A. And I'm a big fan of Spearman.
Papps is good but he struggled to get anything like a decent scoring rate in the ODIs or tests. While he averages 51 in ODIs he scored very slow. So why was he dropped from the ODI team? I know he had a finger problems but he was available.
And how long do you keep saying, "Someone is one of our best batsmen over the years", before you drop them during a form slump? I don't see you supporting McMillan's case for reselection! That kind of thinking kept leeches like Parore in the BCs for far too long. NZ won the NatWest series because Flemming, Astle, and Marshall performed so well.
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southern man
U19 Cricketer
I personally can't see Mcintosh getting into the Canterbury one day team unless he improves greatley.
Will Scarlet
U19 Debutant
Yes, Shannon Stewart scored 352 at 39.11 in his nine innings. He was the fourth highest scorer in the State Shield. Why would he be displaced by McIntosh who scored 14 runs in 3 innings?
Mingster
State Regular
Will Scarlet said:
The ND batting lineup is handy, Hamish Marshall is unlikely to play Tests for NZ this year, so he should play a decent amount of games for ND. J Marshall, N Horsley, H Marshall, Styris*, Howell, Robinson, Orchard is handy. I never said it was "great", just handy.
Man, you can't read can you? WHERE did I say that Spearman was more successful than How last year? Where? I was disagreeing with your point that How can score faster than Papps. I said How was "playing second fiddle to Spearman on the ATTACKING front". How about instead of telling me to "get my facts right" that you go take remedial English lessons?
I'm sorry that Papps isn't a perfect cricketer and that he can't average 51 in ODIs and not maintain a SR of over 80....
Average of 51 at 61.44 is not bad going seeing you have an attacking partner at the other end in the form of Stephen Fleming.
Papps was dropped in the ODI team because there wasn't enough room for him in the makeup of the side, look at the team we played in the Final. Who would you have taken out in order to fit Papps in? Papps also missed out in the tour games before the NatWest which didn't help his cause either.
"Someone is one of our best batsmen over the years"
OK, let's drop Scott Styris like you suggest. Let's just see how popular that decision will be. He hasn't fired in 6 games, and yet he has contributed with the ball. Afterall, this kind of thinking of dropping people after 6 average games, even though they were brilliant for the past year consistently is supposed to be "good" in your mind?
Fleming and Marshall was great in the NatWest series, but Astle was nowhere in the class of those two. You failed to mention the bowler of the NatWest, Jacob Oram. Ian Butler also performed well when he was given the chance.
You can't read. Where did I say McIntosh should displace Stewart in the One-Day side? I DIDN'T. I said that McIntosh was a definite starter in the FC side. Do you know what first-class means? I guess you don't.
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Will Scarlet
U19 Debutant
The McIntosh debate
Firstly, it is good to have an Aucklander to argue with again! Certainly are getting defensive about a player that just quit Auckland.
A handy batting line-up shouldn't require Daniel Vettori or Simon Doull (now retired) to open the batting in OD games.
James Marshall is not even in contention for BC selection. What have you been watching? His record is terrible, averaging only 28.
Papps, with an average of 51 in ODIs, must have been lacking something to not find a way into the ODI side. Most of the cricket media agree that he has some way to go before being a regular ODI or test player for NZ.
How many failures is acceptable before a player is dropped? And as I said previously, I would prefer them to select Styris than McMilllan. It's unlikely that they will drop both for the ICC Championship.
You are obviously the one who can't read, I am in Melbourne: not Sydney. And I follow NZ cricket as close as possible. I'm sure the TV coverage of FC cricket in NZ has not yet improved to a decent level.
I just don't believe McIntosh to be a certainty to start ahead of Stewart on most recent form in FC and OD matches. Though I'd like to see him regain the form he was in at the beginning of last season.
And you are a First Class idiot! Until we argue again, don't spill your latte on your CK jeans you bought with money you EARNED busking on the waterfront.
Firstly, it is good to have an Aucklander to argue with again! Certainly are getting defensive about a player that just quit Auckland.
A handy batting line-up shouldn't require Daniel Vettori or Simon Doull (now retired) to open the batting in OD games.
James Marshall is not even in contention for BC selection. What have you been watching? His record is terrible, averaging only 28.
Papps, with an average of 51 in ODIs, must have been lacking something to not find a way into the ODI side. Most of the cricket media agree that he has some way to go before being a regular ODI or test player for NZ.
How many failures is acceptable before a player is dropped? And as I said previously, I would prefer them to select Styris than McMilllan. It's unlikely that they will drop both for the ICC Championship.
You are obviously the one who can't read, I am in Melbourne: not Sydney. And I follow NZ cricket as close as possible. I'm sure the TV coverage of FC cricket in NZ has not yet improved to a decent level.
I just don't believe McIntosh to be a certainty to start ahead of Stewart on most recent form in FC and OD matches. Though I'd like to see him regain the form he was in at the beginning of last season.
And you are a First Class idiot! Until we argue again, don't spill your latte on your CK jeans you bought with money you EARNED busking on the waterfront.
southern man
U19 Cricketer
There is no reason that Styris should be dropped anytime soon, He has been one of our best in recent times.
Tim
Cricketer Of The Year
James Marshall does have a poor FC/OD record..but it's actually better than his brothers!. James could be just as good as Hamish at international level, but until he gets selected we'll never know.
There's no question that Shanan Stewart will be selected ahead of McIntosh in the OD's this season to begin with. Stewart made the Sth Island team (through someone else's misfortune) so Canterbury will probably stick with him.
There's no question that Shanan Stewart will be selected ahead of McIntosh in the OD's this season to begin with. Stewart made the Sth Island team (through someone else's misfortune) so Canterbury will probably stick with him.
Mingster
State Regular
Bloody hell, no need for everyone to get at my head when I didn't even suggest for a second that McIntosh should be ahead of Stewart in the OD team! Will, you said that McIntosh's form has not been great, well, neither has Stewart's FC form either. And why do you persist in inventing things that I didn't say? Like saying that I thought James Marshall was in Black Caps contention? Where did I ever, ever say that?
I'm sure your location has changed, only a couple of days ago it said Sydney. Oh well. I assume you're another one-eyed Cantab jealous of Auckland's wonderful allround sporting abilities. Jeez mate, only because we have a nice waterfront!
Well a handy batting lineup in the form of New Zealand also trailed with the use of Vettori at the top of the order. You can't agrue with NDs tactic of using Vettori opening, because as much as you dislike it, it has worked for them. That's why it prompted the NZ selectors to give Vettori a chance opening.
I'm sure your location has changed, only a couple of days ago it said Sydney. Oh well. I assume you're another one-eyed Cantab jealous of Auckland's wonderful allround sporting abilities. Jeez mate, only because we have a nice waterfront!