NSW/Australia A is the 2nd best team in the world !!

[PY]

1.M.J.Slater
2.B.J.Haddin
3.S.M.Katich
4.M.E.Waugh
5.S.R.Waugh
6.M.G.Bevan
7.M.J.Clarke
8.B.Lee
9.N.W.Bracken
10.S.C.G.MacGill
11.G.D.McGrath


VS

England (their last played XI) 3rd Test vs SL

M.Trescothic
M.Vaughan
M.Butcher
N.Hussain
G.Thorpe
A.Flintoff
G.Batty
C.Read
A.Giles
R.Kirtly
J.Anderson

The result:

Trescothic +12
Vaughan + 20
Katich + 8
M.Waugh + 6
S.Waugh + 15
M.Bevan + 3
M.Clarke + 15
C.Read + 5
Giles + 5
Macgill + 5
Anderson +1


England +43
NSW + 52

That's a surprisingly accurate scoring I reckon.

Except for Bevan being better than Flintoff at Test level. Not sure that's ever going to happen. The bowling is where they are going to struggle.

 

[Rik]

It seems alot of people are just writing off NSW completely, not alot of people can admit theyd be pretty damn competitive at full strength.

As for the old 'if you're from NSW you'll be in the Test team', arnt people starting to get a little sick of that? I know I am.

Well if Katich moves to NSW and scores less runs (not this season but the one before) and then gets back into the side, you'd think that wouldn't you?

 

[age_master]

NSW has more players in, usually, cos its the largest state population wise. AFAIK, more club teams in sydney then most have in their state?

or im completely wrong. :rolleyes:

i beleive Victoria actually has the most cricketers in it according to the most recent survey

ohh andd i dont think a full strength surrey would have been able to stand up to a full strength NSW at any time over the Waugh era (last 18 years)

 

[Rik]

i beleive Victoria actually has the most cricketers in it according to the most recent survey

ohh andd i dont think a full strength surrey would have been able to stand up to a full strength NSW at any time over the Waugh era (last 18 years)

Bowling attack of Saqlain, Tudor, Bicknell...very handy

 

[PY]

Not forgetting some rather handy all-rounders.

ie Ben (RIP) and Adam Hollioake weren't exactly muppets with the bat and ball in 2001.

 

[garage flower]

I don't see what's so incredible about the strongest test nation in the world having a strong domestic team that would, arguably, be competitive against international teams.

I would think that the stronger domestic teams in most countries contain a number of current and recent internationals and so would, arguably, be competitive against the weaker test nations. Australia are the strongest test nation, have a small number of teams (and therefore concentrated talent pool) and so would expect to have 1 or 2 very strong teams that could be competitive at test level.

Football is obviously very different in terms of the number of foreign players playing in the top domestic leagues and the fact that the sport is increasingly geared towards club football - so it might not be an entirely pertinent comparison - but top club sides like Real Madrid, Arsenal (hawk, spit) and Juventus would probably be competitive against any international side.

Having said all that, I can't imagine that anyone seriously believes NSW or Australia A are the second best team in the world. I mean, wouldn't it be illogical to rate them above the Australian test team!

 

[Bazza]

NSW will defeat england :P especially with the grit and leadership of s.waugh on the team,it's hard 2 see them losing

Just like this whole argument, this statement is the biggest load of rubbish I've ever read. Slater, Bevan and the Waugh brothers are both past it and would be very ineffective these days. That leaves Katich and Clarke who look very good players but are unproven in test cricket. Haddin has never played either so impossible to say he is better than Chris Read (who seems to be underrated here).

Then in the bowling department again McGrath and MacGill are both past it and nowhere near as effective as 3-4 years ago, Lee we have all been saying hasn't delivered at test level and I believe he conceded 83 runs in an ODI over the weekend, whilst Bracken again is unproven.

I don't think you have a leg to stand on.

 

[marc71178]

7.M.J.Clarke

7.G.Batty

As soon as you used these 2 a basis for comparison your argument left the building...

 

[Richard]

Slater, Bevan and the Waugh brothers are both past it and would be very ineffective these days.

Bevan was never effetive ITFP.
A one-day genious at all levels but nowhere near a Test-class player.

 

[Richard]

The fact that you said 'most' international sides doesnt help your case, because it sounds like your trying to say that India could beat them. Your not referring to other teams.

Plenty of teams have beaten India recently.
The fact that Australia couldn't doesn't make India best or second-best, because there is no way to really be certain. However if you ask me there are better international sides than India and NSW.

 

[Richard]

Slater wasn't as good a player against the better bowling teams.

????
:O :O :O :O
Slater was brilliant in Test-cricket against even the best bowling!

 

[Richard]

Bowling attack of Saqlain, Tudor, Bicknell...very handy

Salisbury!
But Bicknell has been a little disappointing since 2001, Tudor was rubbish last season and has been horrifically expensive in both the last 2. And in 2001 also they had Ben Hollioake and Batty as back-up.

 

[deeps]

As soon as you used these 2 a basis for comparison your argument left the building...

well that was the england batting line up for the last match they played

 

[deeps]

Just like this whole argument, this statement is the biggest load of rubbish I've ever read. Slater, Bevan and the Waugh brothers are both past it and would be very ineffective these days. That leaves Katich and Clarke who look very good players but are unproven in test cricket. Haddin has never played either so impossible to say he is better than Chris Read (who seems to be underrated here).

Then in the bowling department again McGrath and MacGill are both past it and nowhere near as effective as 3-4 years ago, Lee we have all been saying hasn't delivered at test level and I believe he conceded 83 runs in an ODI over the weekend, whilst Bracken again is unproven.

I don't think you have a leg to stand on.

i agree slats is passed it....bevan is not passed it, and is doing extermely well int he pura cup comp... mark waugh is not at his best,but is still pretty damn good... and Swaugh is DEFINATELY not passed it, i don't know where u got that from...geez,he retired a few weeks back,and made 80 odd in his last match...and he's in pretty damn good form

mcgrath and macgill passed it? wat are u on mate? watever it is, can i get some of ya? seems to be that stress relieveing drug that we've all been after...makes everything look positive


Macgill was the 2nd highest wicket taker last year...not passed it, just coz india belted him around the park...trust me, ur english players would NOT be able to do that to him with the exception of maybe vaughan.... It's soley coz the indian's play spin so well, not coz he is passed it

Mcgrath is injured,he'll b back soon, and i'm not even going 2 bother explaining how good he is,coz if u disagree with the fact that he's probably the best bowler in the world atm, ur wasting ur time PRETENDING to b a cricket fan,when u know absoultely jack all about it

 

[Salamuddin]

Plenty of teams have beaten India recently.
The fact that Australia couldn't doesn't make India best or second-best, because there is no way to really be certain. However if you ask me there are better international sides than India and NSW.

Well England is certainly not better than India.
Australia and RSA are still one and 2 but after that I think its pretty close between PAK, NZ, IND and ENG (I think they should be ranked in that order).

 

[NZTailender]

Slater is NOT past it. he what? 34ish?

he has still got at least 1 season left at test level, and i for one would like to see him batting at that level again.

 

[Gaijin-san]

i for one would like to see him batting at that level again.

Bad luck. It's not going to happen.

I'm sure many would argue that he's already been gifted his token baggy green for being a New South Welschman and they must now service the rest of the team.

 

[mavric41]

Slater is NOT past it. he what? 34ish?

he has still got at least 1 season left at test level, and i for one would like to see him batting at that level again.

I don't like your chances. I think mentally he is gone. And now physically he has a reactive arthritus. By the time he recovers, shows brilliant form and displaces either Langer or Hayden it would be time for him to retire.

 

[marc71178]

well that was the england batting line up for the last match they played

Yes, but Clarke doesn't bat 7 for NSW :rolleyes:

 

[deeps]

well, when the team is at full strength, it is very similar to the aussie current team, and he would get pushed to seven.... or maybe swap with bevan, but either way they are both better batsman than batty and if u work it out, it doesn't matter about the batting order... i coud have anderson opening for england, and vaughan at no11 , but in terms of calculating the difference, it woudln't matter.......slats would get + heaps more than anderson, but on the other hand vaughan would get + heaps more than mcgrath,so it balances out