NZTailender
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
perhaps he could be given a run if hayden or langer gets injured.
or try him down the order..
or try him down the order..
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NSW/Australia A is the 2nd best team in the world !!
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Rik
Cricketer Of The Year
Token Baggy Green? Wow, I think you've out-done yourself today, I really can't believe you've said something so completely insane! Slater was a fantastic opening batsman, had loads of ability, a good record and usually set Australia up for huge totals with rollocking starts. He worked bloody hard to get his chance and you are claiming he managed to fluke 8 years at the top level (1993-2001) and 74 Test caps as well as 42 ODIs?furious_ged said:Bad luck. It's not going to happen.
I'm sure many would argue that he's already been gifted his token baggy green for being a New South Welschman and they must now service the rest of the team.
PY
International Coach
Sometimes wonder whether Australian perceptions are distorted by the huge success that they have been having in past 5-8 years.
Slater has an average of over 40 which was gained over a period of 8 years. That is not tokenism at all. It's like people saying Graham Thorpe is a token England player because he also plays for Surrey.
Nonsense. :rolleyes:
Slater has an average of over 40 which was gained over a period of 8 years. That is not tokenism at all. It's like people saying Graham Thorpe is a token England player because he also plays for Surrey.
Nonsense. :rolleyes:
mavric41
State Vice-Captain
What furious_ged was referring to was the 1993 Ashes tour of England. Both Slater and Hayden were picked for that tour with the postion as Taylor's partner was open. Most judges were of the opion that Hayden was the front runner and indeed played in the ODI before the tests. When he wasn't an outstanding success the powers that be gave Slater the chance in the first test of the series which he grabbed with both hands. This lead to Slater having an extended run in the test side (in which he did quite well) and Hayden losing confidence and not making the most of any chances he was given until the tour of India.Rik said:
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Of course MacGill's not past it - he's never been any good.deeps said:
We didn't hammer him around like Laxman and co. did, but we still had no real trouble with him.
Indeed, the only times any teams have had any trouble with him was Pakistan in his maiden series, us in 1998\99 (and as I've said so many times, our batsmen were brilliant against spin then, weren't they?), South Africa in a couple of one-off games and Bangladesh in 2003 (and Bangladesh batsmen aren't exactly good enough for that to count for much, I'm afraid).
Indeed, if you take that Bangladesh series out, MacGill's average already climbs over 30. If you take it from the series after the 1998\99 Ashes, it's even worse.
McGrath is nowhere near as good as everyone makes-out, either - he very rarely gets wickets with good balls when there is no seam-movement, and it doesn't need to be said that poor strokes are nothing to do with him so he doesn't deserve any credit for them.
On a green seamer, you would want only one other (Pollock) but on an even, grassless wicket there are plenty of the recent past I'd prefer.
Pratters
Cricket, Lovely Cricket
I will have to say MacGill is one of the better spinners in world cricket. He doesnt have the control of Warne but no leg spinner in history, atleast from whatever videos I have seen, has the control of Warne.
MacGill has a great strike rate and he is a good bowler. Every one is entitled to a bad series and against India, it can be understandable. Ravi Shastri said after the Adelaide test, 'this could be the last test MacGill plays'. I think peopl are going over the top to write him off. He is certainly better than most. Just unlucky to always be slated against Warne.
MacGill has a great strike rate and he is a good bowler. Every one is entitled to a bad series and against India, it can be understandable. Ravi Shastri said after the Adelaide test, 'this could be the last test MacGill plays'. I think peopl are going over the top to write him off. He is certainly better than most. Just unlucky to always be slated against Warne.
age_master
Hall of Fame Member
Macgills record vs ENgland in tests - 6 tests, 39 wickets @ 24
vs india - 4 matches, 14 wickets @ 50
face it, engalnd cant play spin...
vs india - 4 matches, 14 wickets @ 50
face it, engalnd cant play spin...
PY
International Coach
And how things have changed....Richard said:
South Africa - Allan Donald and Shaun Pollock (both in full swing of careers)
Pakistan - Waqar Younis and Wasim Akram
England - Darren Gough and Andrew Caddick
West Indies - Curtly Ambrose and Courtney Walsh
They are the main ones which are no longer about which were soooo much better than current bowling attacks. :O
Tom Halsey
International Coach
MacGill has always bowled pure tripe, but for some reason, batsmen always used to get out, where as they don't anymore.
Gaijin-san
Banned
MacGill used to have a habit of taking wickets with shoddy short deliveries outside off stump. I suppose his reputation preceeds him and batsmen are more cautious these days.