Now that's commitment

[Goughy]

Telecast the birth on the big screen, Bing can have a look while he's fielding at fine leg.

Worryingly this makes perfect sense to me.

 

[adharcric]

Telecast the birth on the big screen, Bing can have a look while he's fielding at fine leg.

brilliant

 

[silentstriker]

I would most definately attend the birth. I love my family far greater than cricket, my country, and teammates.

However, if both sides are comfortable with him playing then they can do whatever they want.

Im surprised that there is no mention of avoiding the issue by the birth being induced (as English cricketers have done) or a scheduled C-section.

Well, I don't buy this family vs. country thing. You aren't sacrificing your firstborn child to the Gods for an Ashes win. You're just missing him popping out of your wife. I don't see the 'sacrifice'. Its a pretty disgusting thing anyway, I'll probably find a way to miss my childbirth and have a far worse excuse than missing an Ashes match.

 

[Steulen]

Well, I don't buy this family vs. country thing. You aren't sacrificing your firstborn child to the Gods for an Ashes win. You're just missing him popping out of your wife. I don't see the 'sacrifice'. Its a pretty disgusting thing anyway, I'll probably find a way to miss my childbirth and have a far worse excuse than missing an Ashes match.

You're definitely not a father.

 

[adharcric]

You're definitely not a father.

Don't worry, he'll melt in seconds when he becomes one. That will mark the end of the SS bravado.

 

[silentstriker]

You're definitely not a father.

No I'm not. I'll call up my pops, see what he says. Who in their right mind would spawn a child with me? cond**s are my best friend.

In any case, you aren't sacrificing your family. You are making a choice between two significant events in your lives. And you'll see your kid soon enough, you may not get the chance to win back the Ashes.

 

[silentstriker]

Don't worry, he'll melt in seconds when he becomes one. That will mark the end of the SS bravado.

I don't think its bravado, but I've seen several childbirths and the one common thing for all of them was that they were all horribly disgusting. My ***** would go limp for six months after that.

 

[Turbinator]

I wonder what SS would name his kid?

 

[adharcric]

Well I agree that it wouldn't be a huge deal and a "sacrifice" as such to miss a childbirth, but if your family needs you and your team needs you, you go to your family every time. If the family can make do without you (in an extended family, for example), it's alright to do your thing. Cricket, as crazy and passionate as we are about it, is only a sport.

Either way, Lee can miss a test and the Aussies will still regain the urn. No big deal.

 

[silentstriker]

Well I agree that it wouldn't be a huge deal and a "sacrifice" as such to miss a childbirth, but if your family needs you and your team needs you, you go to your family every time. If the family can make do without you (in an extended family, for example), it's alright to do your thing. Cricket, as crazy and passionate as we are about it, is only a sport.

Either way, Lee can miss a test and the Aussies will still regain the urn. No big deal.

Well, yea. I mean if your wife is in an accident and is in critical condition - you go to the wife. My point is this is not a life and death situaiton, its not even a very serious situation. So I don't see any reason to miss a test.

Not that they'd ever do it, but I wouldn't mind if CA penalized Lee for missing the test if he does do it. Of course there would be too much bad PR, so its probably not a good idea..but still.

 

[silentstriker]

I wonder what SS would name his kid?

"Sachin"

Of course, if he plays for India as a pace bowler, I'll personally go down to mumbai and boo him cause he'll undoubtedly be rubbish.

 

[adharcric]

Well, yea. I mean if your wife is in an accident and is in critical condition - you go to the wife. My point is this is not a life and death situaiton, its not even a very serious situation. So I don't see any reason to miss a test.

Not that they'd ever do it, but I wouldn't mind if CA penalized Lee for missing the test if he does do it. Of course there would be too much bad PR, so its probably not a good idea..but still.

It is a pretty important occasion. It's one of the biggest family occasions you can possibly have. That said, the circumstances in the player's family should determine what the right decision is. By no means should Lee be expected to play or to not play. His choice. As HB said, he'd be committed either way, just to different things.

If it was me, I'd probably play since I have a huge, supportive family and I'm just as crazy as you, SS.

 

[marc71178]

I wonder what SS would name his kid?

Ajit Marc Striker.

 

[silentstriker]

Ajit Marc Striker.

The boy would get the worst of three worlds. I must really hate my kid.

 

[GIMH]

As someone who's missus is over 5 months pregnant, I would never forgive myself if I missed the birth. It might well end up being the best moment of my life, double so seems as I'm having twins. I won't even be going to Forest away on December 30th in case she drops and I'm 4 hours away lol. And if she goes into Labour while I'm in work, I will be out of there and in a taxi like a shot.

Saying that, I'm not criticising Lee. His job, I dare say, pays a lot more than mine and carries more significance to the bigger picture; many Cricketers do the same thing. Flintoff was going to fly home and miss the 3rd test against India, but he was selected as captain so stayed out there, and his wife ended up giving birth during the second Test anyway.

I'm sure fathers who miss their kids' births don't care any less: I just wouldn't miss it myself.

 

[GIMH]

Well, yea. I mean if your wife is in an accident and is in critical condition - you go to the wife. My point is this is not a life and death situaiton, its not even a very serious situation. So I don't see any reason to miss a test.

Not that they'd ever do it, but I wouldn't mind if CA penalized Lee for missing the test if he does do it. Of course there would be too much bad PR, so its probably not a good idea..but still.

Well all sorts of things can go wrong with labour, including to the mother, and it is not exactly a comfortable time for them. I would say a lot of women rather have their men there when giving birth than if they had had an accident and wouldn't even be aware of their partners' presence.

I might have said the same thing two years ago, but these days I'm staring at a different picture

 

[jot1]

I don't agree with the thread title.
When you get married, be you male or female, you make a commitment to stand by your spouse. Childbirth is an extremely scary, painful, traumatic experience, and having the physical support of the person who not only has promised you that support by marrying you, but had a hand(? ) in putting you in that situation, is immeasurable.
IMO she should never have been put into the position of having to discuss the issue, let alone make the decision to approve of his not being there. She should have been able to take his presence there by her side, for granted.
Putting your family 2nd to anything, be it a sport or a job, is wrong.
Staying with her would have shown her how committed he is to her, their marriage, their family and their love.
That is commitment.

 

[silentstriker]

I don't agree with the thread title.
When you get married, be you male or female, you make a commitment to stand by your spouse.

I agree with you, if the other option (compared to playing cricket) was to sell her to slavery or something. Though, for a lot of guys, it might be a tough choice.

Childbirth is an extremely scary, painful, traumatic experience, and having the physical support of the person who not only has promised you that support by marrying you, but had a hand(? ) in putting you in that situation, is immeasurable.

Well, considering I've never been through childbirth as a father, I can't comment except to say its not uncommon for the guy to be away when the woman is giving a childbirth. Its a fairly new phenomenon where the guy is right there.

IMO she should never have been put into the position of having to discuss the issue, let alone make the decision to approve of his not being there.

Yea, it should be given that he would put his Ashes first.

I don't want to sound callous, but I'd think twice about a player's committment if he missed a part of an important series like the Ashes unless there was some serious issue (i.e if the wife/child developed some complication, then I can see it).

Staying with her would have shown her how committed he is to her, their marriage, their family and their love.
That is commitment.

Or maybe he can show he's commited by keeping the checks rolling in.


She isn't dying. Death during childbirth is extremely rare. Though the death of your career due to an Ashes series is quite common.

 

[adharcric]

She isn't dying. Death during childbirth is extremely rare. Though the death of your career due to an Ashes series is quite common.

 

[jot1]

he can show he's commited by keeping the checks rolling in.


She isn't dying. Death during childbirth is extremely rare. Though the death of your career due to an Ashes series is quite common.

Most woman would prefer less money if it meant more quality, family and husband/wife together, time. Married guys, ask your wives!
Also, most woman, especially during the later stages of childbirth, become afraid that they might die so intense and unbearable is the pain.