Muralitharan a burglar,a thief and a dacoit : Bedi

[Richard]

Kirtley has worked on his action, there are slight differences if you look hard enough.

I do agree with your other points though.

I'll have to take a closer look, then.:saint:
Difficult, though, I've only got a couple of games on tape of him before Zimbabwe 2001.

 

[iamdavid]

Do you Aussies get Atherton, Richie, Nicholas, for our summer. If you do, you will already know what an idiot this guy is.

Yep , and Ian Botham :rolleyes:

 

[Richard]

Hang on, you're confusing me now...
Do you get Richie, MCJ, Dermot Reeve, Ian Smith, Simon Hughes and Athers, or do you get Gower, Charles Colville, Bob Willis, Paul Allott, Bumble and Botham? Or do you get different stations that play different coverage?
For instance, on The Ashes last year, Channel 4 (who at home have Richie, MCJ, Dermot, Smithy, SH and Athers) shared the C9 coverage for highlights (sometimes as little as 30 mins), while Sky (Charles Colville and co.) provided live coverage exclusive to them.

 

[iamdavid]

For the Natwest series last year they had Botham , Willis & co , for the tests I beleive Richie & co , Craig's probably got a better memory than me so ask him

 

[Richard]

Right, that makes sense - Sky cover the ODIs live and C4 cover 6 of the 7 home Tests live. Sky cover any away matches live and C4 provide highlights of all home games and nowadays just a few away ones.
Interesting if either of you can remember who you got for the Second Zimbabwe Test, because Sky get the second Test of the summer live (First v NZ 1999, Second v Zimbabwe 2000, Second v Pakistan 2001, Second v SL 2002, Second v Zimbabwe 2003).
The TV contract really is stupidly complicated in England.
What's worse, in 2000\01 all 12 away matches (6 Tests AND 6 ODIS!!!! ) were highlighted by C4, and since the India tour in 2001\02 (Tests and ODIs), all they've covered is The Ashes (no ODIs, no New Zealand Tests, no Bangladesh or Sri Lanka games. Wonder if they'll highlight the WI games?)

 

[iamdavid]

:O Complicated

Out here Channel 9 are contracted to show every home test & ODI live , regardless of what time of year & whether they want to or not (they didnt wanna cover the Bangladesh games live).

Foxtel shows every away series , but its pay TV so only a select few ( ) can see it , apart from the Ashes (away) which will be sold to one of the free-to-air stations (usually ABC , CH9 or PRIME).

 

[marc71178]

What's worse, in 2000\01 all 12 away matches (6 Tests AND 6 ODIS!!!! ) were highlighted by C4, and since the India tour in 2001\02 (Tests and ODIs), all they've covered is The Ashes (no ODIs, no New Zealand Tests, no Bangladesh or Sri Lanka games. Wonder if they'll highlight the WI games?)

However, since the rights for the away matches are completely different to those for home series, it is unfair to just criticise C4 for not showing them.

There's 3 other terrestrial providers that also decline to buy the rights.

 

[Gems]

Well, now I've nit-picked out the incorrecticies from your previous post I can ask you the questions I ask anyone on this subject:
Have you read the relevant rules?
How does Murali break them?
And how many times and to what extent have you studied footage to come to this conclusion?

Oh no, no, no matey, I read relevant rules all the time. So much so that it becomes a bore. Your friend and mines, Muttiah is suspicious in my eyes and many others and no matter how much some one nips at me, I'll not change my view!
As for footage well, Richard, you're right, you probably have more time than me to trawl through hours of footage but I do see enough.
I'm finished with this Murali business because we can argue for a lifetime on a forum but he's not been cleared recently.
And thanks to an early finish from the South Africans, I can concentrate on the Aussies/Indians. And yes, Brett Lee, although not fit, is bowling legally! I know I've seen that one discussed somewhere!

 

[Rik]

However, since the rights for the away matches are completely different to those for home series, it is unfair to just criticise C4 for not showing them.

There's 3 other terrestrial providers that also decline to buy the rights.

CH4 have bought the rights to show the cricket, there is no gain from any other broadcaster to show the highlights over the winter knowing they will have to pay CH4 for the rights to show them and that they won't be able to show them in the summer. There is no gain, so CH4 get away with it.

 

[garage flower]

Hardly juvenile I assure you that. I'm just sick and tired of the same topic coming up with the same people saying the same things ignoring the same evidence which proves the same point that he doesn't actually chuck.

Now do you understand why it gets slightly annoying?

Well this is my first post on the issue, so bear with it. I accept that Murali's action has been investigated and cleared, but it does seem that the leg break, which he's developed since he was cleared, is bowled with an action that - to the naked eye - involves a degree of straightening.

I am a little surprised that no umpire has referred him for further investigation (which I understand is the process now) on the basis of this new delivery and wonder if it's due to fear of the possible public backlash.

 

[garage flower]

What, the top-spinner? Or the leg-break-to-the-right-hander?
They're totally different balls, I just wish people would get the simple things right...

Being pedantic and condescending adds nothing to the debate. For instance, if I was to point out your atrocious grammar in the above quote, no-one would be interested and we'd be no closer to establishing whether Murali's action is dodgy.

 

[marc71178]

Oh no, no, no matey, I read relevant rules all the time. So much so that it becomes a bore.

But also enough for you not to be able to answer Richard's question as to how he breaks them I note.

Funny that!

 

[marc71178]

CH4 have bought the rights to show the cricket, there is no gain from any other broadcaster to show the highlights over the winter knowing they will have to pay CH4 for the rights to show them and that they won't be able to show them in the summer. There is no gain, so CH4 get away with it.

But that is wrong, C4 have only got the rights to the home series - the away series wouldn't come into their deal with the ECB, since the ECB doesn't have any rights to sell England's away tours. If C4 owned the away rights they would show them, because it's something they've already paid for and it makes no sense to make/buy another program when they have unused "free" programs!

The problem is it is just not economically viable for any broadcaster to show highlights of away Tests owing to the finish time of the game relative and the number of people viewing them.

About the only tours I can see that would be worth showing on time considerations are SA and Zim (as they finish at a time whereby the 7.30 slot wouldn't be too long after the game) and the WI (as they finish at a time when the late night slot would come into play).

 

[marc71178]

I accept that Murali's action has been investigated and cleared, but it does seem that the leg break, which he's developed since he was cleared, is bowled with an action that - to the naked eye - involves a degree of straightening.

But the thing is - his other balls are also bowled with an action that, to the naked eye, involve a degree of straightening, but they've been cleared since it is an optical illusion!

 

[Richard]

Being pedantic and condescending adds nothing to the debate. For instance, if I was to point out your atrocious grammar in the above quote, no-one would be interested and we'd be no closer to establishing whether Murali's action is dodgy.

Sometimes atrocious grammar is neccesary to get cricketing terms right.
Given that this is a cricket forum, cricketing correctness is of primary importance, grammar second.

 

[Richard]

Originally posted by marc71178
However, since the rights for the away matches are completely different to those for home series, it is unfair to just criticise C4 for not showing them.

There's 3 other terrestrial providers that also decline to buy the rights.

I wasn't intending to criticise C4, simply bemoaning the fact that certain tours were totally uncovered.
I've lost very little through it, as all I've missed involving England is the Champions Trophy VB Series and WC2003. But the less cricket on TV, the less is watched.

 

[garage flower]

But the thing is - his other balls are also bowled with an action that, to the naked eye, involve a degree of straightening, but they've been cleared since it is an optical illusion!

My point is that there appears to be more straightening involved in the leg break action and so there is a case for looking at it.

 

[garage flower]

Sometimes atrocious grammar is neccesary to get cricketing terms right.
Given that this is a cricket forum, cricketing correctness is of primary importance, grammar second.

You appear to have missed the point I was trying to illustrate, which was that some of your posts on this thread have been pedantic and condescending and, as such, added nothing to the debate.

 

[marc71178]

My point is that there appears to be more straightening involved in the leg break action and so there is a case for looking at it.

"Appears" being the key word.

Since he bowls it with his arm consistently at the straightest he can physically make it, I question how he can straighten the arm?

 

[Tom Halsey]

But the fact remains that he was cleared ages ago, and his leg break has not been investigated. Plus, his off break action will have changed slightly - that is only natural.