Medium-pacers

[Neil Pickup]

Actually according to that formula height should help pace. Because we multiply the radius i.e arm length by the angular velocity. A person with longer arms(usually taller) will require less angular velocity while a person with shorter arms will require more angular velocity (eg. Sami, AA, who generate pace with quick arm actions).

However it's logically easier for someone smaller to generate more angular velocity as there's less arm to force round so less power is required.

Thinking about the formula in relation to younger players' development - they get faster for two reasons - 1) they get stronger so can generate more angular velocity (arm speed) and 2) they grow. That's why I'm quite excited about the 9-year-old who's about 4 foot tall who blasted out the entire Budleigh Salterton U11 top order yesterday (2-0-6-4 all clean bowled).

 

[chicane]

However it's logically easier for someone smaller to generate more angular velocity as there's less arm to force round so less power is required.

Thinking about the formula in relation to younger players' development - they get faster for two reasons - 1) they get stronger so can generate more angular velocity (arm speed) and 2) they grow. That's why I'm quite excited about the 9-year-old who's about 4 foot tall who blasted out the entire Budleigh Salterton U11 top order yesterday (2-0-6-4 all clean bowled).

And younger bowlers(20-25) are stronger and can run faster. Hence the faster run-up, their stronger shoulder muscles and higher bend angles directly add to the linear speed giving them extra pace.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Younger bowlers are stronger and can run faster. Hence the faster run-up, their stronger shoulder muscles and higher bend angles directly add to the linear speed giving them extra pace.

I was talking about development from the ~11/12 to ~19/20 rather than the decrease from ~24/25 to ~30/31

 

[chicane]

I was talking about development from the ~11/12 to ~19/20 rather than the decrease from ~24/25 to ~30/31

I know. I was just adding my own point, sorry for the confusion, should've put an 'And' before it.

 

[shankar]

The single main factor that determines if a person can bowl express fast is the type of muscle fibre he possesses- fast or slow contracting. For that quality of explosive speed a person requires a high percentage of fast contracting fibres. So although a bowler's speed is helped by his arm & shoulder strength,co-ordination,height(through the arm-length as mentioned by Neil) etc... without the right type of muscle-fibre it's not possible to bowl express fast however strong or tall he might be whereas somebody who's not strongly built can still bowl fast if he was born with the right type of muscle fibre.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Name any bowler who could bowl fast, and still can, and you'll know he's quite tall.

Darren Gough (5ft11), Fidel Edwards (5ft8), Malcolm Marshall (5ft10).

 

[chicane]

Mohammad Sami(5ft11), Waqar Younis(5ft11)

 

[imranrabb]

is mo sami 5 11 he doesnt look like it

 

[marc71178]

I think Flintoff is actually pretty good at bowling back to back spells of tight bowling.

He is - and I wonder how many more Test wickets he'd have if he had Flintoff in the slips to catch...

 

[marc71178]

More accurate than a McGrath or Ambrose?

Quite possibly, but by the same token, less threatening.

 

[chicane]

is mo sami 5 11 he doesnt look like it

He does to me......5 11 looks short in the company of Inzi and Shabbir.

 

[marc71178]

Agarkar is not accurate.

But he is a wicket taker.

Forza AA!

 

[marc71178]

Wait a minute. Why does Zaheer have to be tall to bowl quick. Ever heard of Marshall and more recently Gough? Zaheer has been timed over 150, i've seen it myself, in the tour of England in 2002. But at the same tme how many times does Harmison exceed 150? Both bowl at around 90 mph with harmison being quicker by around 2 mph. Yet he's FAST and Zaheer is Fast Medium. The classifications are bullshit, there are a million such FAST bowlers listed on cricinfo.

Would you like a steak with the chip on your shoulder?

 

[chicane]

It's not my opinion it's the truth.

 

[Eclipse]

It's not my opinion it's the truth.

It's bullshit.

Yeah he may have been clocked bowling that fast but thats not the norm.

In Australia his top speed for the series was under 140 kph same with the series In india just before.

He is fast medium occasionly he bowls a faster spell than that but he is not a genuine fast bowler at all.

 

[chicane]

It's bullshit.

Yeah he may have been clocked bowling that fast but thats not the norm.

In Australia his top speed for the series was under 140 kph same with the series In india just before.

He is fast medium occasionly he bowls a faster spell than that but he is not a genuine fast bowler at all.

Hahah you don't even remember that he was coming out of injury and he was still suffering a niggle which eventually got worse. And I saw a few over 140, funny. Obviously you haven't really been watching him and you're just shooting from an open trap. I never said he's express or anything, neither did I say Harmison wasn't quick, I was just pointing out the bullshit classifications.

 

[tooextracool]

how can you classify someone as fast when he hasnt bowled a ball over 140 kph in over 2 years?rubbish.....

 

[Dasa]

how can you classify someone as fast when he hasnt bowled a ball over 140 kph in over 2 years?rubbish.....

You don't actually WATCH much cricket, do you? If you did, you would've seen that Zaheer did actually bowl quite a few over 140kph. I remember one ball being clocked at near 143 or thereabouts at the MCG (I was there).
Rubbish, eh?

 

[superkingdave]

I've been watching him since the Eng WI series and seen the avg and top pace figures, he probably topped off at 93 mph, now Shoaib's average ball comes in at around 94 mph, and he gets it up to 100, what a difference. I'm not saying Harmo isn't quick, but he isn't in Shoaib/Sami/Lee/Bond league.(who are really FAST)

Harmison bowled 154.5 today, that's faster than Bond has ever bowled in according to my records there's only Lee and Shoaib who have bowled faster, do you still want to say he is not in their league?

 

[Eclipse]

Hahah you don't even remember that he was coming out of injury and he was still suffering a niggle which eventually got worse. And I saw a few over 140, funny. Obviously you haven't really been watching him and you're just shooting from an open trap. I never said he's express or anything, neither did I say Harmison wasn't quick, I was just pointing out the bullshit classifications.

Get over it he is NOT a fast bowler.

Gillespie is alot faster than Zaheer and he is only borderline Fast.