matthew hayden or brian lara?

[Richard]

It's avatar bet time buddy. I will bet you that Hayden will average over 50 for the entire series.

I'm a conservative guy, you know that - I want to see how Hoggy starts the summer first.
Because let's face it - if Hoggy doesn't get him, I can't see who's going to.

 

[sledger]

Which is not true - he has, however, only made runs against poor seam-attacks, which, for an opener, really is a reason to be enormously overrated.

completely agree, that is precisely why lara gets my vote over the big man.

 

[sledger]

I'm a conservative guy, you know that - I want to see how Hoggy starts the summer first.
Because let's face it - if Hoggy doesn't get him, I can't see who's going to.

Gareth Batty! LOL

nah only joking, i can see quite a few people getting him actually, all its gonna take is a few stray shots, although i rather suspect that you are right.

 

[Jono]

So you've gone from this:

380 (and I am now assured it was chanceless) is a good performance regardless.

To this:

No, of course, never mind someone being gifted two shots in one innings at a record - one of the most prescient records going round, in fact.

You clearly didn't see the knock at all. I wish before you'd talk about cricket, you'd actually watch rather than using other people's opinions and reports on the match as fact.

 

[Richard]

So you've gone from this:

*BLAH*

To this:

*BLAH*

You clearly didn't see the knock at all. I wish before you'd talk about cricket, you'd actually watch rather than using other people's opinions and reports on the match as fact.

No, I didn't really take much interest in the second day's play at all, it was so obvious what was going to happen.
I'm still not certain at all whether or not it was chanceless - all my second post you quoted meant was that IF he was dropped it WOULD matter, one hell of a lot.

 

[marc71178]

lara's original record (375*) was against an england side that was nto much better than that zimbabwe team

Come off it, that England team weren't the best, but they were far from being that bad.

 

[Langeveldt]

So you've gone from this:



To this:



You clearly didn't see the knock at all. I wish before you'd talk about cricket, you'd actually watch rather than using other people's opinions and reports on the match as fact.

Brilliant.. Total rinseout.. I hope people can now form a suitable opinion, if they haven't already

 

[Richard]

Total rinseout

Really?
Despite me providing a perfectly valid explanation?

 

[Langeveldt]

Really?
Despite me providing a perfectly valid explanation?

380 is a good performance regardless..

Kind of blows a couple of thousand of your posts out of the water, doesn't it? What if he was dropped seventeen times?

 

[Richard]

Then I'd imagine I'd have heard of at least a few of them.

 

[marc71178]

Despite me providing a perfectly valid explanation?

Perfectly valid where?

 

[Richard]

Here?

I'm still not certain at all whether or not it was chanceless - all my second post you quoted meant was that IF he was dropped it WOULD matter, one hell of a lot.

Not that I'd expect you to accept that because it'd be another destroyed opportunity to manufacture a contradiction.

 

[marc71178]

So the regardless is ignored then?

 

[Richard]

Which one? The one Rich said?
If so, yes - because any innings is as good as what you scored before you got yourself out - regardless of nothing.

 

[Arrow]

Hayden is overrated. I dont think its any co incidence that he failed at a time when fast bowling talent was high and excelled when it was rock bottom.
His record seems to prove hes an excellent player though. Lara is one of the best ever so its no shame not being as good or close.

 

[SJS]

Clearly this thread is not to show that Lara is better than Hayden for no one, well almost no one, would have a doubt on that score. This is just to find a way to rubbish Hayden.

 

[deeps]

hayden is successful when the bowlers like harmison are topping the bowling lists

lara had donald, waqar, wasim, pollock, all at their peaks as well as many many other very very good quick bowlers... in comparison, the bowling standards of today are shocking

 

[Richard]

Clearly this thread is not to show that Lara is better than Hayden for no one, well almost no one, would have a doubt on that score. This is just to find a way to rubbish Hayden.

Well... just to show that things didn't change between it's former life and it's current one.

 

[mavric41]

hayden is successful when the bowlers like harmison are topping the bowling lists

lara had donald, waqar, wasim, pollock, all at their peaks as well as many many other very very good quick bowlers... in comparison, the bowling standards of today are shocking

You can only play who fronts up. Its no use blamig the player if the opposition is no good. If he is no good, why have no other players achieved what he has (380 in a test, 4 consective years of 1000+ runs, 20 centuries in 50 odd tests,average of over 50)

 

[Richard]

Because no other players have played enough matches on enough good pitches against enough poor bowling-attacks.