Luckiest player to make it to test cricket?

[Jono]

Ronnie Irani:
- Shocking bowler
- Shocking batsman
- Shocking attitude to the game.

Just the type of guy England need in their cricket team :rolleyes:

 

[Adamc]

Has anyone mentioned Yasir Ali (Played in the Multan Test against Bangladesh in 2003 despite having no first-class experience)? Regardless of the opposition, any team should try to put it's best XI on the field (especially considering Pakistan nearly lost this match!). I have no idea how good a player he actually is, but i daresay it makes sense to give him some first-class experience before he plays Tests.

 

[marc71178]

No to mention the Pura cup were he has made 983 runs with 4 tons and three fiftys.

Am I alone in thinking the standard of the Australian First Class game is slipping dramatically?

A few years ago, you never got these levels of runs being scored by non-Internationals.

Part of it must be to do with the Senior Side being absent for most of the season, but it can't be the only reason, surely?

 

[Eclipse]

Am I alone in thinking the standard of the Australian First Class game is slipping dramatically?

A few years ago, you never got these levels of runs being scored by non-Internationals.

Part of it must be to do with the Senior Side being absent for most of the season, but it can't be the only reason, surely?

What are you talking about non-internationals?? it's been ages since Australian domestic cricket reguarly had International players.

If you look at the last 5-6 years you will notice that there have allways been 2-4 guys who make 1000+ runs in a season and quite a few that make 800-950.

This year is not any diffrent form the recent trend a few more players have made runs than usualy but no one that you would not expect to make many runs has.

It's only really been the good players who have done well.

Infact Andy Flower said Pura Cup Cricket was harder than test cricket in many way's not so long ago :0 (maybe he is just makeing excuses for his poor form )

I dont think the standerd is droping off at all.

 

[Craig]

I would say its excuses. I guess he's had trouble djusting.

 

[masterblaster]

I agree with Eclipse, after watching the ING Cup games and some Pura Cup games as well, the standard of FC cricket in Australia is very, very high.

 

[Richard]

Has anyone mentioned Yasir Ali (Played in the Multan Test against Bangladesh in 2003 despite having no first-class experience)? Regardless of the opposition, any team should try to put it's best XI on the field (especially considering Pakistan nearly lost this match!). I have no idea how good a player he actually is, but i daresay it makes sense to give him some first-class experience before he plays Tests.

It's not the first time (Salim Elahi is another example) nor will it be the last.
Playing Tests having never played First-Class cricket before is ludicrous, no matter how good your club record is.

 

[Rik]

Shocking attitude to the game.

Just the type of guy England need in their cricket team :rolleyes:

Where did you get this from? Have you ever seen him play? He may not be the best player England have picked but his attitude is top notch and cannot be faulted. He plays the game hard but fair and gives people credit when it is due, and if he makes a mistake I've allways noticed he's the first to mention it.

 

[Rik]

Am I alone in thinking the standard of the Australian First Class game is slipping dramatically?

A few years ago, you never got these levels of runs being scored by non-Internationals.

Part of it must be to do with the Senior Side being absent for most of the season, but it can't be the only reason, surely?

I definately agree with Australian cricket slipping, it just doesn't seem to be as strong as before. But just reminding everyone that Mike Hussey tended to score 800 runs a season when he was younger (even though he's not exactly old now) and still failed to get a look-in from the Selectors. Damien Martyn scored heavily after being dropped early in his career, as did Lehmann and Law. And who could forget Jamie Siddons who scored the most runs by an Australian batsman who never got the call up.

 

[Richard]

Ronnie Irani:
- Shocking bowler
- Shocking batsman
- Shocking attitude to the game.

Just the type of guy England need in their cricket team :rolleyes:

IMO all very ill-informed comments.
Irani's attitude to the game is very good - he's always been willing to help anyone who wants it.
His batting has been a little overrated by some, but it's certainly a hell of a lot better than some players I can think of who've been selected for England with batting a factor.
Irani's bowling can be very, very good. Equally, if it's bad he's not got much margin for error. But to call him a shocking bowler smacks of generalisation.

 

[Rik]

Picking Taylor and Lawson after a few games is what I would call lucky. And how is Dwayne Smith and Edwards lucky per se?

Dwayne Smith had played very few games, and Edwards had only played one FC game for Barbados and failed to take a wicket in it. Edwards is a much better example of someone picked after very few games than Taylor or Lawson. I bet he still thanks his lucky starts he ran into Lara, every night.

 

[Richard]

I think you will find he will improve alot in OD game's.

This season his OD batting avrage is 38 with a strike rate off 77 and about 380 runs so he is improving his batting in OD game's.

His new bowling action also look's alot more suited to one day cricket it's not quite as skidy and he can swing the ball quite a bit now so batsman will find him harder to hit. It's also quite simple so accuracy should not be to much of a problem.

No to mention the Pura cup were he has made 983 runs with 4 tons and three fiftys.

I know - like I said, he's not a bad First-Class player.
Maybe he will improve in the one-day game, I never said he won't. But thus far he's been a poor player.

 

[Rik]

Vettori was lucky,he had played...what? 2 FC games?

but still,he has been quite an asset for NZ...

He bowled superbly against England in a warm-up game. I saw footage of Hussain's dismissal, he worked him out beutifully. Vettori bowled with superb control and troubled everyone, and fully deserved his call-up. Much less of a punt than Fidel Edwards or Ian Butler.

 

[Richard]

Ronnie Irani is the worst player I have ever seen play for a team aside from the minnows. (Including Zimbabwe) He serves no purpose.

I am going to go your way this time around because his stats are TERRIBLE.

Ronnie Irani

ODI

Bowling Average

41.20

Batting Average

14.40

Tests aren't much better...:rolleyes:

Bowling average irrelevant. It's one-day cricket. OK, his economy-rate isn't great either, just pointing-out that there's no meaning in average.
His stats aren't great over the career. However, there have been times when he's bowled very well. He is most certainly not the worst player to play international cricket for anyone other than a minnow. If you think that you're very ill-informed and resort to generalisation too much.

 

[Richard]

Tresco,hayden and gilchrist...all left handers of great power...could there be a connection. My thought on this is that if a players hits the ball hard enough,the chances they give become that much harder to take.

Left handers are notorious for flashing wide outside off stump...and if you are going to flash ..flash hard. (Although Tresco does seem to be undone by his footwork). David Gower (more of a timer than a smasher) always seemed to get done by the ball outside off stump and him flashing....maybe if he had gone after those balls harder he may have survived more.

The stereotype would be right. Shame is, Trescothick, Hayden and Gilchrist get dropped all the time off simple chances that the speed of the swing has nothing to do with.
So it doesn't apply.

 

[Richard]

Except for Napier of course...

Napier's even worse than Harvey!

 

[Richard]

unluckiest player= gavin hamilton, got a pair in his first test on a dodgy pitch and was never selected after that

Very unfortunate in batting, yes, but didn't bowl anywhere near as well as he can.

 

[ReallyCrazy]

Seriously I think Ajit Agarkar is very lucky to have played so many tests and ODIs for INdia. He started well in ODIs but then he lost it. He has been given sooooo many chances its not funny and he is still being called an allrounder :rolleyes:. Its probably coz he's from mumbai and gavaskar supports him so much

 

[thehellraiser]

nehra.......what does he bowl again
slow left arm full tosses......hahahahahaha

i am not a big fan of afridi.....but the guy has got a test century and that to against the indians

so i think that rules him out of the luckiest player category

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

nehra.......what does he bowl again
slow left arm full tosses......hahahahahaha

i am not a big fan of afridi.....but the guy has got a test century and that to against the indians

so i think that rules him out of the luckiest player category

It doesn't really matter what you do on the world stage. A player who is lucky to play Test cricket may go on to compile a good career stat, but the fact will remain that he was lucky to get his foot in the door.