Len Hutton vs Viv Richards

[Johan]

He is much better than Viv at home though

what's the gap without the 400* and 375 against England on proper roads in draws?

 

[capt_Luffy]

what's the gap without the 400* and 375 against England on proper roads in draws?

1999 Australia

 

[Johan]

1999 Australia

Lara is better at home, much better is an exaggeration spawning from his home average being inflated by those two knocks.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Lara is better at home, much better is an exaggeration spawning from his home average being inflated by those two knocks.

Viv is better away. Much better is an exaggeration by people upping the good attacks he faced and acting like he was playing Lillee, Imran and Hadlee always.

 

[Johan]

Viv is better away. Much better is an exaggeration by people upping the good attacks he faced and acting like he was playing Lillee, Imran and Hadlee always.

that's fine, but if Viv is better away and Lara at home then Viv is better by default mathematically as 60% of his games were away without even including WSC while only 49% of Lara's games were at home, so Viv >

 

[DrWolverine]

You really thought he rates Barry ahead of Don? Hilarious!

Just joking

 

[ataraxia]

that's fine, but if Viv is better away and Lara at home then Viv is better by default mathematically as 60% of his games were away without even including WSC while only 49% of Lara's games were at home, so Viv >

Lara playing a disproportionate amount of his games in conditions that didn't suit him is not a point against him.

 

[capt_Luffy]

that's fine, but if Viv is better away and Lara at home then Viv is better by default mathematically as 60% of his games were away without even including WSC while only 49% of Lara's games were at home, so Viv >

That's kinda stupid NGL. If anything, it works against your point. Lara for me as he played with a weaker batting side while Viv in his 2nd peak from 84-88 was 3rd best at home.

 

[Johan]

Lara playing a disproportionate amount of his games in conditions that didn't suit him is not a point against him.

why don't they suit him?

 

[Coronis]

what's the gap without the 400* and 375 against England on proper roads in draws?

Whats the gap without all the useless runs Viv churned out on roads in draws?

 

[Johan]

That's kinda stupid NGL. If anything, it works against your point. Lara for me as he played with a weaker batting side while Viv in his 2nd peak from 84-88 was 3rd best at home.

Hm?

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[Johan]

Whats the gap without all the useless runs Viv churned out on roads in draws?

road discussion is probably not something you want to have when discussing Lara, lol.

 

[capt_Luffy]

road discussion is probably not something you want to have when discussing Lara, lol.

Like I don't think Viv's pitches were necessarily tougher overall.

 

[Johan]

Like I don't think Viv's pitches were necessarily tougher overall.

What-

honestly, let's leave this thread for Hutton, I'll handle Lara some other day

 

[honestbharani]

I dont understand what idiocy it is to think Lara is lesser than anyone other than Bradman as a bat, but its hilariously sad.

 

[Johan]

I dont what idiocy it is to think Lara is lesser than anyone other than Bradman as a bat, but its hilariously sad.

everyone is entitled to their views and all

 

[Johan]

I'll add this thread to my "Viv Richards is the most underrated Batsmen on CW" folder.

 

[Johan]

some great performances by Hutton against Davo, Benaud and Miller by Hutton, he is 40 at the time and probably finished.

https://stats.acscricket.com/Archive/Scorecards/21/21347.html

https://stats.acscricket.com/Archive/Scorecards/21/21441.html

some hundreds against Prime Bedser + good support, on 50s English surfaces.

https://stats.acscricket.com/Archive/Scorecards/19/19860.html

https://stats.acscricket.com/Archive/Scorecards/20/20428.html

 

[subshakerz]

Viv>Lara, shut up

Clearly. The only real conversation is Viv or Sobers (edge Viv).

Lara, Hutton, Smith are their own rung

 

[subshakerz]

I dont understand what idiocy it is to think Lara is lesser than anyone other than Bradman as a bat, but its hilariously sad.

Lara was a genius. Viv was a bigger genius.