Kohli Test Average

[Coronis]

I hate rating a player including their decline. The decline is the fault of selectors

I think Rohit at least has convinced himself and the selectors that he is a net negative for the team. Kohli and the selectors will cling to that hundred and it may continue for a bit.

 

[Spark]

I hate rating a player including their decline. The decline is the fault of selectors

The selectors don't do his batting for him

 

[Prince EWS]

I hate rating a player including their decline. The decline is the fault of selectors

I agree that it's not up to the player to drop himself.

But if you have two otherwise equal players and one goes into a terminal decline at 32 and the other keeps being gun or at least good until 36 then the latter is significantly better.

Being good for longer is more useful in real cricket than achieving a mystical level of peak skill for a short period.

 

[subshakerz]

I hate rating a player including their decline. The decline is the fault of selectors

Um hard to say

 

[subshakerz]

I agree that it's not up to the player to drop himself.

But if you have two otherwise equal players and one goes into a terminal decline at 32 and the other keeps being gun or at least good until 36 then the latter is significantly better.

Being good for longer is more useful in real cricket than achieving a mystical level of peak skill for a short period.

Begrudgingly agree.

 

[kevinw]

You have to judge a player's career in its entirety, the highs and the lows. Otherwise you can have a carefully constructed purple patch. When judging Kohli, you have to account for the last few years or underperformance. This is why he isn't an ATG.

 

[Victor Ian]

I agree that it's not up to the player to drop himself.

But if you have two otherwise equal players and one goes into a terminal decline at 32 and the other keeps being gun or at least good until 36 then the latter is significantly better.

Being good for longer is more useful in real cricket than achieving a mystical level of peak skill for a short period.

Yeah. Agree.

Was just pointing out that Kohli is better than a 46 average player. Most players get to be **** for maybe 10 games and then get dropped. Then you have outliers that for one reason or another get to hang around and watch their average drop because they get picked for 20 or 30 games past useby. Ponting is another who is much better than his final average. Smith will most likely be another.

 

[subshakerz]

Yeah. Agree.

Was just pointing out that Kohli is better than a 46 average player. Most players get to be **** for maybe 10 games and then get dropped. Then you have outliers that for one reason or another get to hang around and watch their average drop because they get picked for 20 or 30 games past useby. Ponting is another who is much better than his final average. Smith will most likely be another.

I think Kohlis decline from 2020 to 2022 was pure bad form. The he picked up in 2023 but this year frankly he just seems old and unable to change his game.

 

[OverratedSanity]

If you look at his average and go "yep, lower than 50 in Australia and especially South Africa, isn't great there", then I am REALLY worried for you

He's been tremendous in south africa but apart from 2015 road series his series averages in Australia are 37, 40, 39 ( 1 match) , 24.

7 tons is great but he's only got 4 50+ scores apart from those. It's a good but not close to great record at this point tbh.

 

[subshakerz]

He's been tremendous is south africa but apart from 2015 road series his series averages in Australia are 37, 40, 39 ( 1 match) , 24.

7 tons is great but he's only got 4 50+ scores apart from those. It's a good but not close to great record at this point tbh.

Yeah. Kohli was still aces in SA last year but this series in Aus has reduced his Aus record to a much less impressive one.

 

[capt_Luffy]

He's been tremendous in south africa but apart from 2015 road series his series averages in Australia are 37, 40, 39 ( 1 match) , 24.

7 tons is great but he's only got 4 50+ scores apart from those. It's a good but not close to great record at this point tbh.

Imo, his 2014/15 series was a near ATG one. Yes, the pitches were roads but 4 centuries is no joke. He was very good in the next two series as well, and played a vital role (though not as much as Pujara or Pant) in India's first Test series win in Australia. Scored 70 odd in the 1st innings of Adelaide disaster iirc as well. Yeah, after this series it's not Great anymore, but not close to is something I don't agree with.

 

[Johan]

Better than De Villiers

 

[subshakerz]

Yeah, after this series it's not Great anymore, but not close to is something I don't agree with.

I think that was my point. Kohli really only has a great record in SA away from home now.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I think that was my point. Kohli really only has a great record in SA away from home now.

Yeah but it's close to Great overall in Australia, and Inzi's record is only Great in countries vs weak bowlings and mostly SCish conditions.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Yeah but it's close to Great overall in Australia, and Inzi's record is only Great in countries vs weak bowlings and mostly SCish conditions.

Nah that's not entirely accurate. Inzi played some terrific knocks vs Ambrose/ Walsh and a great ton in Manchester in the 01 series against a decent attack too.

Kohli's been so bad for so long now that his peak almost looks like an anomaly at this point.

 

[subshakerz]

Yeah but it's close to Great overall in Australia, and Inzi's record is only Great in countries vs weak bowlings and mostly SCish conditions.

Those SC conditions had Kumble and Murali at home. He also faced Ambrose and Walsh in WI. Even in Eng with Gough and Caddick was a very handy attack in those conditions.

And frankly heavily scoring even against medium attacks in away conditions where there is some movement still carries merits for top bats.

 

[Sunil1z]

 

[trundler]

Yeah but it's close to Great overall in Australia, and Inzi's record is only Great in countries vs weak bowlings and mostly SCish conditions.

You're just showing your ignorance about a player you've decided to not rate here.

 

[stephen]

If Kohli had have only had his hundreds on the roads served up in his early series, I would say his record against Australia had questions around it. But his heroics in the last series should dispel any questions about his ability in Australia.

 

[Zinzan]

Is this the end for Kohli at Test level? I mean with his batting record over the last 5 years being the below, how long can they continue to carry him? Surely this poor tour of Australia is one tour too many for him & he needs to step aside.

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