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Joe Root vs Dravid

Better Bat

  • Joe Root

    Votes: 23 54.8%

  • Dravid

    Votes: 19 45.2%
  • Total voters
    42
Johan

Johan

International Captain
Randomfan said:
Given Aus and Eng players prepare whole life to perform in Ashes and how much lagcy of Eng/Aus players are shaped by Ashes, Root's record home and away in Ashes is not really impressive. People focus on away in Aus rightly but let's not go there. It's home and away for all players in Ashes and the most important series for Aus/Eng players. Players dream and prepare for that their entire life.

All Eng/Aus bastmen in Ashes with 1500 runs

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Same list sorted by tons:

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I think Root is a wonderful batsman, but legacy of Eng/Aus players do get shaped by how well they do in Ashes. In case of Root, it's not just about Ashes in Aus, he has not really set the world on fire with his performance in Eng as well.

30-40 tests with avg of 40 and 4 tons. Not really great. He is facing a great bowling unit but then you got to step up against them to leave your mark.

He would have played around 40 tests in Ashes by then and if it's just 4 tons then it's not good. It's not that he is averaging high as well.

I hope Root gets a big series in next Ashes with couple of tons.
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excuse me but are you this fella lol?

Joe Root versus Hashim Amla in the Test format

I literally fell off my chair reading some of the claims made in Root vs Ponting thread. He is better than Kallis. He is the best test batsman to tour India. He is the best test batsman after Steven Smith in the last 20 years and what not. Let's leave the bottom 4 teams aside and let's leave...
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tho this is true, I've noticed both these lads have an Australia issue, Root averaging 40 in Ashes while Dravid averages 38 in BGT and has two tons (tho, what tons they were).

now, BGT isn't the Ashes, but it was very important in the 2000s I feel like.
 
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Randomfan

U19 Debutant
Johan said:
excuse me but are you this fella lol?

Joe Root versus Hashim Amla in the Test format

I literally fell off my chair reading some of the claims made in Root vs Ponting thread. He is better than Kallis. He is the best test batsman to tour India. He is the best test batsman after Steven Smith in the last 20 years and what not. Let's leave the bottom 4 teams aside and let's leave...
ppforum.pakpassion.net ppforum.pakpassion.net

tho this is true, I've noticed both these lads have an Australia issue, Root averaging 40 in Ashes while Dravid averages 38 in BGT and has two tons (tho, what tons they were).

now, BGT isn't the Ashes, but it was very important in the 2000s I feel like.
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No, but I saw the post.

I had not thought about Ashes and Root before posters discussing it. Root is too classy batsman. He had problem of not getting big ones despite getting a good start. He has fixed the issue. Root's career is not done, but Root is surely in Dravid's class for me. Dravid has his own issue against Aus and SA.

Hope Root gets a real big series in Aus. He is comfortably the second best batsman of his generation and this generation had to face a tougher batting conditions with some great bowlers playing for Aus, Eng, SA, NZ and Ind.
 
Johan

Johan

International Captain
Randomfan said:
No, but I saw the post.

I had not thought about Ashes and Root before posters discussing it. Root is too classy batsman. He had problem of not getting big ones despite getting a good start. He has fixed the issue. Root's career is not done, but Root is surely in Dravid's class for me. Dravid has his own issue against Aus and SA.

Hope Root gets a real big series in Aus. He is comfortably the second best batsman of his generation and this generation had to face a tougher batting conditions with some great bowlers playing for Aus, Eng, SA, NZ and Ind.
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Agreed on most fronts if not all
 
sayon basak

sayon basak

International Captain
Johan said:
excuse me but are you this fella lol?

Joe Root versus Hashim Amla in the Test format

I literally fell off my chair reading some of the claims made in Root vs Ponting thread. He is better than Kallis. He is the best test batsman to tour India. He is the best test batsman after Steven Smith in the last 20 years and what not. Let's leave the bottom 4 teams aside and let's leave...
ppforum.pakpassion.net ppforum.pakpassion.net

tho this is true, I've noticed both these lads have an Australia issue, Root averaging 40 in Ashes while Dravid averages 38 in BGT and has two tons (tho, what tons they were).

now, BGT isn't the Ashes, but it was very important in the 2000s I feel like.
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So you follow PakPassion huh?
 
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Randomfan

U19 Debutant
Johan said:
Agreed on most fronts if not all
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Which part you disagree?

I think the last 5-7 years have been tough for batsmen.
Except Smith, no one is better than Root.
I don't think scoring in Ind, Aus, Eng, SA and NZ has been easy with lots of gun bowlers for them.
I do think that Root has fixed the issue of not converting a good start. Earlier he had a big issue with that.
Root is surely in Dravid's class for me. Career is ongoing but in the same class. Saying that based on seeing both bat.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Coach
Johan said:
you slander me for being a wrestling fan.

and then reveal yourself to be a Shounen mark, the **** did you think I'd do? not bully you?
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You can try; but I don't think one can Even IMAGINE comparing the Great One Piece with ****ing WWE
 
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PlayerComparisons

International Captain
Randomfan said:
Given Aus and Eng players prepare whole life to perform in Ashes and how much legacy of Eng/Aus players are shaped by Ashes, Root's record home and away combined in Ashes is not really impressive. People focus on away in Aus rightly but let's not go there. It's home and away for all players in Ashes and the most important series for Aus/Eng players.

All Eng/Aus bastmen in Ashes with 1500 runs

View attachment 44477


Same list sorted by tons:

View attachment 44478


I think Root is a wonderful batsman, but legacy of Eng/Aus players do get shaped by how well they do in Ashes. In case of Root, it's not just about Ashes in Aus, he has not really set the world on fire with his performance in Eng as well.

30-40 tests with avg of 40 and 4 tons. Not really great. He is facing a great bowling unit but then you got to step up against them to leave your mark. A batsman can have not so impressive avg but lots of big scores or just have consistent high average without big scores. Root does not have that.

He would have played around 40 tests in Ashes by then and if it's just 4 tons with avg around 40 then it's not good.

I hope Root gets a big series in next Ashes with couple of tons. One ton will satisfy checklist fans due to having ton in Aus, but does very little for his legacy. Avg of 40 with 5 tons in 40 test won't look good either in Ashes history. He needs to a big Ashes series in Aus with couple of tons.
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Agreed. I think Root will retire with a similar legacy to Anderson. Great player but their ashes record holds them back from being in the top tier of greats.

The chances of him scoring even one hundred is Aus is very low, let alone a couple of tons.
 
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Johan

Johan

International Captain
I've never seen a person be as obsessed with someone failing as PC has been obsessed with Root failing in 2025 Ashes, it's honestly kind of inspiring.
 
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