Joe Root vs Dravid

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You can keep stating this as a fact but it won’t make it one

It’s just my opinion, not a fact

 

[capt_Luffy]

I've never seen a person be as obsessed with someone failing as PC has been obsessed with Root failing in 2025 Ashes, it's honestly kind of inspiring.

Missed Subs when Ashwin was around???

 

[Johan]

Missed Subs when Ashwin was around???

Subs can't even hold a candle.

 

[Rob Wesley]

Some strange reality or is it just strange statistics?

Joe Root - 51
Sachin Tendulkar - 50
Rahul Dravid - 49

Root runs tally is higher than Dravid already.

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I've never seen a person be as obsessed with someone failing as PC has been obsessed with Root failing in 2025 Ashes, it's honestly kind of inspiring.

My problem is more with him being rated so high if he never succeeds in Aus. If he succeeds there, then I wouldn’t have a problem with him being rated so high.

There’s no Aussie player that would be rated so highly with zero away ashes success.

 

[Rob Wesley]

And here are the away averages:-

Tendulkar- 52
Dravid - 51
Root - 47

But Root is just below Lara and 47 is still excellent.

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[Johan]

My problem is more with him being rated so high if he never succeeds in Aus. If he succeeds there, then I wouldn’t have a problem with him being rated so high.

There’s no Aussie player that would be rated so highly with zero away ashes success.

whatevs, I just find it funny how everytime Root is mentioned you do your best to objectively rate him but you always fail to hide the fact you really do want him to fail in 2025 Ashes, you somehow always bring up how you think it's so improbable he'll make runs in next Ashes, like dude, we get it, Chill.

even Subs isn't this relentless with Ashwin.

 

[Johan]

Some strange reality or is it just strange statistics?

Joe Root - 51
Sachin Tendulkar - 50
Rahul Dravid - 49

Root runs tally is higher than Dravid already.

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the 2000s Greats and 2000s Sachin all did fill their pockets against weaker attacks, it's almost undeniable, but Sachin had the whole 90s where he was elite ATG and the 2010 South Africa series and all that to rise above the Dravid/Kallis/Ponting/Root tier and that's why he's in the BAB discussion.

 

[centurymaker]

And here are the away averages:-

Tendulkar- 52
Dravid - 51
Root - 47

But Root is just below Lara and 47 is still excellent.

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You are making the mistake of looking at stats of an active player against retired players.

Root is 34.
Tendulkar retired aged 40
Dravid retired aged 39

Allow Root to play till age 38 at least. He'll inevitably experience a dip that hurts his stats somewhat. Tendulkar and Dravid had those dips late career. Their final stats include those dips. Meanwhile Root's stats are only till age 34, not 38, 39 or 40. If you were to look at Tendulkar/Dravid's stats at age 34, 35, 36 or 37, their stats would only look prettier.

 

[Johan]

I'm sensing a Tendulkar hijack coming.

anyway @Ron Wesley, He is actually right, here are Tendulkar's stats minus minnows at age 34 and 35

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for Rahul at 35 vs non minnows

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an indian fan can tell me, preferably @capt_Luffy, isn't 2007-8 the Chappel drama era where Dravid completely fell off the cliff?

 

[PlayerComparisons]

You are making the mistake of looking at stats of an active player against retired players.

Root is 34.
Tendulkar retired aged 40
Dravid retired aged 39

Allow Root to play till age 38 at least. He'll inevitably experience a dip that hurts his stats somewhat. Tendulkar and Dravid had those dips late career. Their final stats include those dips. Meanwhile Root's stats are only till age 34, not 38, 39 or 40. If you were to look at Tendulkar/Dravid's stats at age 34, 35, 36 or 37, their stats would only look prettier.

Yea this is a mistake made with most players. Look at how Smith was averaging 60 at the age of 34 and now could end up averaging low 50s unless he retires early.

 

[Johan]

You can only really rate players on available information rather than hypotheticals, I don't think anybody says Root or Smith or even Kohli's placements are set in stone.

 

[Rob Wesley]

You are making the mistake of looking at stats of an active player against retired players.

Root is 34.
Tendulkar retired aged 40
Dravid retired aged 39

Allow Root to play till age 38 at least. He'll inevitably experience a dip that hurts his stats somewhat. Tendulkar and Dravid had those dips late career. Their final stats include those dips. Meanwhile Root's stats are only till age 34, not 38, 39 or 40. If you were to look at Tendulkar/Dravid's stats at age 34, 35, 36 or 37, their stats would only look prettier.

Yeah that’s right about the dip which every player experiences but in terms of runs tally, Root has already surpassed Dravid and averages better excluding Bd and Zim for both. He will have higher runs tally than Dravid once he start facing the dip in his career.

I think it’s ultimately his record in Australia which is the only blemish he has got. Not having a single performance in Australia that anyone can mention without looking at stats guru is what Root is lacking.

 

[Johan]

Yeah that’s right about the dip which every player experiences but in terms of runs tally, Root has already surpassed Dravid and averages better excluding Bd and Zim for both. He will have higher runs tally than Dravid once he start facing the dip in his career.

I think it’s ultimately his record in Australia which is the only blemish he has got. Not having a single performance in Australia that anyone can mention without looking at stats guru is what Root is lacking.

This is the flaw that seprates tier 1 batters from tier 2.

 

[Rob Wesley]

Yea this is a mistake made with most players. Look at how Smith was averaging 60 at the age of 34 and now could end up averaging low 50s unless he retires early.

smith runs tally is well behind Sachin and Dravid. In case of Root, his runs tally is ahead of Dravid excluding BD and Zim. Think it’s ultimately the record in Australia the major chink in Root’s armor.

 

[BazBall21]

Root just

 

[centurymaker]

I'm sensing a Tendulkar hijack coming.

anyway @Ron Wesley, He is actually right, here are Tendulkar's stats minus minnows at age 34 and 35

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for Rahul at 35 vs non minnows

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an indian fan can tell me, preferably @capt_Luffy, isn't 2007-8 the Chappel drama era where Dravid completely fell off the cliff?

This is Tendulkar aged 37. Note the away averages in Australia (58.5) and England (62). And these ended up in early 50s due to mediocre last tours.





Similarly the final away averages for Root (or for eg Smith) could look worse if they tour in late 30s. Thats why it's a mistake to compare right now. By the way there could be another Ashes series in Australia as early as 2028. So Root could play there again.

 

[Johan]

This is Tendulkar aged 37. Note the away averages in Australia (58.5) and England (62). And these ended up in early 50s due to mediocre last tours.


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Similarly the final away averages for Root (or for eg Smith) could look worse if they tour in late 30s. Thats why it's a mistake to compare right now. By the way there could be another Ashes series in Australia as early as 2028. So Root could play there again.

I don't think anyone thinks Root>Tendulkar, tho I will say, Sachin definitely did overplay in a sense I don't see English cricketers doing.

anyway, as I said, nobody thinks the rating of anyone is set in stone.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

smith runs tally is well behind Sachin and Dravid. In case of Root, his runs tally is ahead of Dravid excluding BD and Zim. Think it’s ultimately the record in Australia the major chink in Root’s armor.

England play more tests than other countries. Number of years is a better way to judge longevity than number of runs/wickets.

 

[GIMH]

By the way there could be another Ashes series in Australia as early as 2028. So Root could play there again.

I’ve missed this entirely then. How so?

Obviously there’s the 150 year Test in 2027 which Root will probably play in, if we assume he’s lasting to next home Ashes