Jasprit Bumrah vs Malcolm Marshall

[Coronis]

This motion that you've tried to create that Sachin and Hobbs are somehow above Viv, Sobers or even Smith is hilarious.

I don’t see why you’d consider it hilarious? Or a motion he’s tried to create?

The vast majority of people here consider Sachin and Hobbs to be ahead of Viv and Smith, and have for a long time.

 

[subshakerz]

I don’t see why you’d consider it hilarious? Or a motion he’s tried to create?

The vast majority of people here consider Sachin and Hobbs to be ahead of Viv and Smith, and have for a long time.

Um, doesn't Kyear himself?

 

[subshakerz]

Couldn't let that stand could you.

Viv played almost 20 years himself, how about we also take away his last 2 or 3 years as well.

That's not even bringing up the flatties of the 2000's either. And doesn't include Viv's WSC days during his peak.

This motion that you've tried to create that Sachin and Hobbs are somehow above Viv, Sobers or even Smith is hilarious.

Predictable, but hilarious.

Sachin's longevity of worldclass performances will always be his trumpcard against Viv and frankly anybody outside Bradman. And I love Viv.

 

[Coronis]

Um, doesn't Kyear himself?

idk tbh.

Even looking at Sobers, the polls I found in this subforum and the 2024 one run by L&L both favour them over Sobers. (not by as convincing margins as Richards ofc)

 

[kyear2]

I still have Waqar over him for now.

I do not.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Couldn't let that stand could you.

Viv played almost 20 years himself, how about we also take away his last 2 or 3 years as well.

Viv played 17/18, Sachin played 24. Viv debuted at 22 and Sachin at 16. It's a pretty significant difference isn't it.

 

[Coronis]

Viv played 17/18, Sachin played 24. Viv debuted at 22 and Sachin at 16. It's a pretty significant difference isn't it.

6 years is significant. Look at Kohli 6 years ago!

 

[subshakerz]

I do not.

End of the day Waqar had a full length career, Bumrah does not even remotely at this point. Plus it's not like Waqar at his peak was that far from Bumrah.

 

[kyear2]

Marshall
McGrath
Hadlee
Ambrose
Steyn
Imran
Wasim
Lillee
Donald
Garner
Trueman
Holding
Waqar
Bumrah

14th.

50 more wickets and he will be top 10.

I would switch Lindwall with Waqar, but that's basically it.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Based on quality alone he is top 5/6 but overall around 14th. I have him above Lindwall (228 wickets) and Davidson (186 wickets).

228 wickets in 40s and 50s isnt the same now where you play lot more tests without even considering the war factor. As @Coronis posted in other thread Lindwall had 124 @ 20.4 at Bumrah’s age.

 

[OverratedSanity]

6 years is significant. Look at Kohli 6 years ago!

Yeah and I think it's particularly significant when those 6 years were at an age at which 99% of cricketers don't play test cricket.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Think I'd have Bumrah one step below guys like Michael Holding if he retired today. He's better than Waqar/Pollock/Walsh tier imo though I wouldn't disagree if he was ranked below on career issues. Think his peak quality has been more than good enough to override that personally.

 

[kyear2]

SL.

He didn't play SL.

There were no freebies.

 

[kyear2]

I don’t see why you’d consider it hilarious? Or a motion he’s tried to create?

The vast majority of people here consider Sachin and Hobbs to be ahead of Viv and Smith, and have for a long time.

The vast majority?

That Sachin is a tier above Sobers, Viv, Smith and Lara?

Really?

And not like you're an impartial observer, you have him 15th.

 

[subshakerz]

The vast majority?

That Sachin is a tier above Sobers, Viv, Smith and Lara?

Really?

And not like you're an impartial observer, you have him 15th.

Did he say he is a tier above?

 

[kyear2]

Um, doesn't Kyear himself?

I have Sachin, Viv, Sobers and Hobbs as equals in the same tier (as the best after Bradman) and rate them by the strength of bowlers faced, hence the order.

Smith, Lara and Hutton right behind.

That's my top tier.

 

[kyear2]

idk tbh.

Even looking at Sobers, the polls I found in this subforum and the 2024 one run by L&L both favour them over Sobers. (not by as convincing margins as Richards ofc)

The polls 2 years ago had the order
Bradman, Hobbs, Sobers, Sachin.

Either Sachin had a late career surge of the demo changed. But all of a sudden Sachin is a tier above and by himself the best after Bradman, or at worse with Hobbs.

Of course the person leading it also think Sunny is in this group, so go figure.

 

[OverratedSanity]

No one said Sachin and Hobbs are a tier above. You didn't even say that in your initial post. Stop inventing stuff to get mad at.

 

[Coronis]

The vast majority?

That Sachin is a tier above Sobers, Viv, Smith and Lara?

Really?

And not like you're an impartial observer, you have him 15th.

He never said he is a tier above. You’re acting very childish right now. Finding an excuse to throw a tantrum.

 

[kyear2]

Viv played 17/18, Sachin played 24. Viv debuted at 22 and Sachin at 16. It's a pretty significant difference isn't it.

At which point is enough enough?

This is the same argument used by some to have Anderson as the GOAT.

18 years of the era, of any era is more than enough. Sobers played 20 years while blowing 40 overs a match.

Sachin's vanity years epitomized his career where it was about stats and numbers. Viv played for team and to dominate.

But apparently, minnows apart and not including WSC during Viv's peak years they are basically the same.

Said this a coupe days ago, at his peak I rate no one above Viv.

But as I said I have the 4 of them rated equally. I choose to rate them by the attacks they faced.

Everyone is free to see it differently.