Jasprit Bumrah vs Malcolm Marshall

[kyear2]

I think kyear was talking about people picking Imran or Hadlee in ATG teams for their batting, not real cricket selections.

Philosophically, not literally.

There were some conversations I had with Luffy last year where he openly advocated for always going for the better batsmen. The notion of choosing your bowling attack based on batting is just something I've never agreed with.

But was watching a podcast today and someone did say that things may have gone better overall if they had selected their bowlers to take 20 wickets rather than add lower order runs, but

 

[kyear2]

If we are picking an all time eleven, we are assuming the best versions of the cricketers and no one is going to pick Anderson or Broad ahead of him.

He's long surpassed Anderson and Broad

 

[kyear2]

What is the minimum amount of wickets Jasprit Bumrah has to take to be considered an all time great? For me 300 wickets

Think he may already be an ATG, but currently he's currently no higher than mid teens as a bowler.

 

[subshakerz]

But was watching a podcast today and someone did say that things may have gone better overall if they had selected their bowlers to take 20 wickets rather than add lower order runs, but

Manjrekar said that and he is right because India picked bits and pieces newbies down the order who can't be relied on.

 

[kyear2]

Marshall. Hadlee. McGrath. Ambrose. Steyn. Donald. Imran. Lillee. Garner. Akram. Holding. Trueman. Lindwall. Davidson. Pollock. Walsh.

Maybe I forgot 1-2 names but think Bumrah ranks ahead of everyone else. He is also a better bowler than people in this list as well but for now I feel I would wait for his career to get over before ranking him ahead of these legends. He is truly once in a lifetime talent.

He may be better than Pollock and Walsh already.

The rest is fair.

 

[subshakerz]

He may be better than Pollock and Walsh already.

The rest is fair.

I still have Waqar over him for now.

 

[centurymaker]

Marshall
McGrath
Hadlee
Ambrose
Steyn
Imran
Wasim
Lillee
Donald
Garner
Trueman
Holding
Waqar
Bumrah

14th.

50 more wickets and he will be top 10.

 

[subshakerz]

Marshall
McGrath
Hadlee
Ambrose
Steyn
Imran
Wasim
Lillee
Donald
Garner
Trueman
Waqar
Bumrah

13th.

50 more wickets and he will be top 10.

Lindwall is still ahead of Bumrah. Holding too perhaps. Pollock/Walsh arguable.

I think to be safe I would say he is just outside the top 15.

 

[centurymaker]

Based on quality alone he is top 5/6 but overall around 14th. I have him above Lindwall (228 wickets) and Davidson (186 wickets).

 

[centurymaker]

Lindwall is still ahead of Bumrah. Holding too perhaps. Pollock/Walsh arguable.

I think to be safe I would say he is just outside the top 15.

I forgot Holding but disagree with Lindwall.

 

[Bolo.]

But Styen was most effective when he was operating in the mid 130s. Thats when he generated crazy movement.

Na.

Steyn was at his most effective in his mid 140s, and sometimes when he was bowling faster. He got crazy movement at that pace too, but the ball moved later, and bats were struggling with how fast it was coming on.

The one thing that was better when he was bowling slower was control. But he didn't make the decision to slow down because he thought the control was worth it. He did it because he was feeling a need to protect his body ashe got older.

 

[centurymaker]

Lindwall is still ahead of Bumrah. Holding too perhaps. Pollock/Walsh arguable.

I think to be safe I would say he is just outside the top 15.

Pollock definitely not.

Walsh and even Anderson has a case.

 

[DrWolverine]

50 more wickets and he will be top 10.

Yes.

50 more wickets at this current rate and I would rate him ahead of Lindwall, Davidson, Walsh, Pollock and maybe even Akram.

 

[kyear2]

What if Pollock retired after 78 Tests?

Would he have been considered a Top 10 bowler?

78 Tests. 318 wickets @ 20.83.

in Aus : Avg of 27 (6 Tests)
in Eng : Avg of 25 (8 Tests)
in SL : Avg of 22 (3 Tests)
in Pak : Avg of 22 (5 Tests)
in WI : Avg of 23 (5 Tests)
in SA : Avg of 19 (41 Tests)
in Zim : Avg of 18 (3 Tests)
in NZ : Avg of 16 (2 Tests)
in Ind : Avg of 14 (2 Tests)

Possibly, but my recollection is that Donald was always better.

But yeah, these are the reminders that we need to bear in mind before we coronate current players. We just did the same with Smith.

 

[kyear2]

Shaun Pollock often bowled in tandem with Allan Donald. He was not a “support bowler” like Joel Garner. But yeah he was overshadowed by White Lightening

What makes you think Garner was any less a tandem bowler than Polly?

 

[subshakerz]

Possibly, but my recollection is that Donald was always better.

But yeah, these are the reminders that we need to bear in mind before we coronate current players. We just did the same with Smith.

Pollock was underrated in that 95 to 2003 phase.

 

[kyear2]

WSC or No?

what team would you consider Minnow from Viv's era?

They were none.

No flat pitch era at the end either.

 

[subshakerz]

Na.

Steyn was at his most effective in his mid 140s, and sometimes when he was bowling faster. He got crazy movement at that pace too, but the ball moved later, and bats were struggling with how fast it was coming on.

The one thing that was better when he was bowling slower was control. But he didn't make the decision to slow down because he thought the control was worth it. He did it because he was feeling a need to protect his body ashe got older.

Steyn had the extra gear when he kicked it up. Especially for his reverse spells.

 

[subshakerz]

They were none.

No flat pitch era at the end either.

SL.

 

[kyear2]

Yeah, but Sachin did it for far longer, beginning a teen and finishing in almost 40. Remove his first 3 and last 3 years and I am pretty sure his numbers will take a beautiful hike

Couldn't let that stand could you.

Viv played almost 20 years himself, how about we also take away his last 2 or 3 years as well.

That's not even bringing up the flatties of the 2000's either. And doesn't include Viv's WSC days during his peak.

This motion that you've tried to create that Sachin and Hobbs are somehow above Viv, Sobers or even Smith is hilarious.

Predictable, but hilarious.