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Jacques Kallis vs Imran Khan

Better cricketer ?

  • Kallis

    Votes: 17 27.4%

  • Imran

    Votes: 45 72.6%
  • Total voters
    62
H

HouHsiaoHsien

International Debutant
Cricket Bliss said:
I first thought it was 40.. Then understood its 46. If its 46 then it is impressive…
but you don’t seem to mention that sub continent wickets on any day were flat - dusty wickets… there were not much green tops in Pakisthan to specifically mention that only Kallis had the support of home wickets

on Australian and English wickets his batting was just mediocre, in West Indies it was worse…
Plauding for his efforts in New Zealand…
then his good performance was in the subcontinent flat - dusty wickets
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Averaged 50+ in both Aus and Eng, in 1980-92.
 
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Socerer 01

International Captain
Cricket Bliss said:
But definitely better than you😂😂 who tries to fill with jokes rather than saying anything productively since we met yesterday in another thread
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dude its impossible to say productive **** to someone who unironically thinks crapinfo is good

carry on embarrassing yourself i aint stopping ya
 
Cricket Bliss

Cricket Bliss

School Boy/Girl Captain
Socerer 01 said:
dude its impossible to say productive **** to someone who unironically thinks crapinfo is good

carry on embarrassing yourself i aint stopping ya
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first mention anything relating to the topic rather than trying to find who is the owner if the account or is it someone’s fake like things mate
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Cricket Bliss said:
Why couldn't I ... why is it even bother to mention...both of their career must be closley examined... You did find every possible acheivements of Imran but never did the same for kallis, so why could i mention his limitations or drawbacks.
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Do you consider Kallis the bowler as better than Imran the bat?
 
B

Bolo.

International Captain
subshakerz said:
1980 Imran just hit his batting strides but even if you want to start in 1982 until the end of his career that is still a majority of Imran's test career in which he was a test standard bat.

And if Sobers late career was like Kallis early career as in minimum test class, he still has a mid career portion where he was a genuine good bowler taking nearly 4 wickets a tests, beyond anything Kallis achieved.

And where is all this parsing and circumspection for Kallis the bowler? Who fattened his record on minnows and doesn't take 2 wickets a test against any proper team outside WI.
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Don't be obtuse. 8 years of Imran's career, in which he didn't play at all for probably 2+ years and couldn't bowl for some more is not over half of Imran's career. It gives numbers very comparable to the ones you are ascribing to Kallis, that were somehow a horrible sin when belonging to a player you wanted to criticize.

Engage a bit more honestly please.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Bolo. said:
Don't be obtuse. 8 years of Imran's career, in which he didn't play at all for probably 2+ years and couldn't bowl for some more is not over half of Imran's career. It gives numbers very comparable to the ones you are ascribing to Kallis, that were somehow a horrible sin when belonging to a player you wanted to criticize.

Engage a bit more honestly please.
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I know others here look at years moreso than test matches played but I measure career based on the latter.

And by that reckoning it doesn't matter if I start at 80 or 82 because you will still end up with a larger share of Imran's career as a quality bat than Kallis as a test standard bowler.

And no, Kallis doesn't have comparable numbers, even in his supposed bowling peak.

This is Imran's full batting peak and you can dance around it and pretend it's inflated but he outstrips Kallis pretty comfortably in his second discipline.

stats.espncricinfo.com

All-round records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com stats.espncricinfo.com
 
Cricket Bliss

Cricket Bliss

School Boy/Girl Captain
subshakerz said:
I know others here look at years moreso than test matches played but I measure career based on the latter.

And by that reckoning it doesn't matter if I start at 80 or 82 because you will still end up with a larger share of Imran's career as a quality bat than Kallis as a test standard bowler.

And no, Kallis doesn't have comparable numbers, even in his supposed bowling peak.

This is Imran's full batting peak and you can dance around it and pretend it's inflated but he outstrips Kallis pretty comfortably in his second discipline.

stats.espncricinfo.com

All-round records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com stats.espncricinfo.com
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of course at peak he definitelyhas comparable numbers... Test rankings says so
 
B

Bolo.

International Captain
subshakerz said:
I know others here look at years moreso than test matches played but I measure career based on the latter.

And by that reckoning it doesn't matter if I start at 80 or 82 because you will still end up with a larger share of Imran's career as a quality bat than Kallis as a test standard bowler.

And no, Kallis doesn't have comparable numbers, even in his supposed bowling peak.

This is Imran's full batting peak and you can dance around it and pretend it's inflated but he outstrips Kallis pretty comfortably in his second discipline.

stats.espncricinfo.com

All-round records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com stats.espncricinfo.com
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Quoting an entirely different set of statistics to the ones we were discussing does not exactly fulfill the request to engage more honestly.
 
Cricket Bliss

Cricket Bliss

School Boy/Girl Captain
Bowling at 15 in Indian conditions against your favorite Tendulkar and others at their peak is definitely worth mentioning and is comfortably ahead of averaging 50 in Australia.

Hahaha dosen't make you correct and me vague. @subshakerz
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Bolo. said:
Quoting an entirely different set of statistics to the ones we were discussing does not exactly fulfill the request to engage more honestly.
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Spare the sanctimony. State your own position clearly as to the players being compared and then we can engage.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Cricket Bliss said:
Bowling at 15 in Indian conditions against your favorite Tendulkar and others at their peak is definitely worth mentioning and is comfortably ahead of averaging 50 in Australia.

Hahaha dosen't make you correct and me vague. @subshakerz
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No taking 5 cheap wickets in two tests isn't comparable to averaging 50 in Australia in the 80s/90s over 8 tests including against Lillee, etc, also including scoring a ton.

Either you really believe that, in which case your level of analysis simply is way off, or you are simply fixed on your position and can't admit obvious facts. Either way, best we don't engage each other from now on. It's much more fruitful for discussion when we can have basic points of agreement.
 
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