DrWolverine
International 12th Man
Hobbs
Gavaskar
Bradman
Sachin
Sobers
Gilchrist
Imran
Hadlee
Marshall
McGrath
Muralitharan
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Jacques Kallis vs Glenn Mcgrath
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Gavaskar
Bradman
Sachin
Sobers
Gilchrist
Imran
Hadlee
Marshall
McGrath
Muralitharan
sayon basak
International Captain
I'm not saying he was as good of an all rounder as Kallis. Just saying he could've been better.
I don't think Hammond should classify as an AR, as his WPM is below one. There should be a min. RPM and WPM limitation for who qualifies as an AR.
kyear2
International Coach
The hypocrisy.
But he played wayyyyyyy more as a 4th than any other slot.
And if course then, Imran was a 7 / 8 the majority of his career and a 6 only really late?
Hardly specialists.
And really and truly their outputs are more comparable to each other's than being even close to Sobers's.
But in reality, Kallis was more often a 4th / 3rd than he was a 5th
And conversely Imran was more a 7th / 8th than he was a 6th.
Like the arguments you make, doesn't make sense.
kyear2
International Coach
Yup
sayon basak
International Captain
Can't argue against this team. I would like to play Viv, but a great team.
OverratedSanity
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Love it tbh. Gets in the top 3 pace bowlers of all time, and Sobers' bowling responsibility is lower which is good because in an ATG context, I think he'd be a weaker 5th option. He'd make a solid emergency backup option here. Batting depth is terrific with Hadlee/Imran both.
kyear2
International Coach
What's wrong with those numbers?
sayon basak
International Captain
Lower WPM?
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Imran even without not outs has an output of 30 runs an innings.
Kallis can hardly scratch 1 wicket an innings as a bowler.
And once you remove minnows, Kallis becomes even less test standard whereas Imran actually improves without SL.
Their output is in no way comparable. This is a joke.
Like I said, Imran overall was a 6/7 borderline lower order bat and only was a no.8 in the 70s, basically first 1/3rd of his career.
Kallis only had a 3/4th bowling load in the first 1/3rd of his career and dropped his load as his batting became better.
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subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Overkill on bowling frankly. You can easily fit another ATG bat since Gilly is not a no.6 at all. I would remove one of Hadlee or McGrath.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Like the set up but in such an instance the allure of Warne/Murali duo is too much to ignore for me.
Johan
International Regular
disgusting
DrWolverine
International 12th Man
My opinion is that it is much easier to score against ATG spinners than ATG fast bowlers.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Especially in the first innings.
Johan
International Regular
obviously, Australia and Pakistan handled Murali at his home crafted pitches, so did India to an extent, spinners are just bad batters merchant, someone like Sobers would turn both the ATG spinners into his personal concubines but could never do that to Trueman.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Its simple physics.
As Sidhu pointed out, spinners are normally bound to one good length. Any capable bat with enough footwork, wrists and confidence can counter them as long as the pitch doesn't cause too much deviance.
Whereas a pacer is not bound to one good length and even when he is it's 20MPH faster.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
It takes the match getting into the 4th and 5th day for the spinners to reach pacer level of effectiveness.
kyear2
International Coach
Figured people would have figured out from India by now this all rounder stuff doesn't work.
For those of you who lived through the era recall that it was often discussed having Gilly bat at 6, and this was when Australia had what is very arguably the best batting line up ever.
It was largely resisted, because even with a team that strong it wasn't worth the risk and gave the team too long of a tail.
Even in his prestigious career, and on an ATG team, batted at 6, 11 times. At 7 ,75 times.
So even for Australia he was reluctant to bat that high, because again, it weakened the batting.
There's a reason why no one else does it.