luckyeddie
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There is, FL. It's called 'being English'
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ICC Champions Trophy in Sri Lanka
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luckyeddie
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The conditions seem almost unreal.
A pal of mine lives in the states and he's experienced temperatures of 42-43 C frequently but the humidity has been around 10%, consequently he described it as 'comfortable'.
On the other hand, when it's 25-27 C and 95% R/H, it's a case of 'pass the beer, I'm too tired to fetch it'.
Today, the commentators mentioned that an hour after sundown, it was still almost 30 C and about 85% R/H.
Dehydration is a dodgy business. It's not just the fluid which has to replaced but all the essential salts and minerals. 3 days recovery time minimum.
I make India red hot (sic) favourites for the final, irrespective of who their opponents are likely to be (unless it's a walkover in the other semi).
A pal of mine lives in the states and he's experienced temperatures of 42-43 C frequently but the humidity has been around 10%, consequently he described it as 'comfortable'.
On the other hand, when it's 25-27 C and 95% R/H, it's a case of 'pass the beer, I'm too tired to fetch it'.
Today, the commentators mentioned that an hour after sundown, it was still almost 30 C and about 85% R/H.
Dehydration is a dodgy business. It's not just the fluid which has to replaced but all the essential salts and minerals. 3 days recovery time minimum.
I make India red hot (sic) favourites for the final, irrespective of who their opponents are likely to be (unless it's a walkover in the other semi).
full_length
U19 Vice-Captain
You are being too harsh there Eddie 
England hardly have a monopoly on the malady. I've seen losing Indian teams whose legs wouldnt move if they didnt get two days, and winning teams that play back to back matches without a fuss.
In the famous Australia-India series, McGrath thought the Indian conditions would help him before the series (i think he wrote that in a column he uses to scare international batsmen) and during the ODIs travel weary Aussies complained that India was too big!
Yes, IMO, England is to whining what Aussies are to sledging, Pakistanis, and Indians to overappealing.
England hardly have a monopoly on the malady. I've seen losing Indian teams whose legs wouldnt move if they didnt get two days, and winning teams that play back to back matches without a fuss.
In the famous Australia-India series, McGrath thought the Indian conditions would help him before the series (i think he wrote that in a column he uses to scare international batsmen) and during the ODIs travel weary Aussies complained that India was too big!
Yes, IMO, England is to whining what Aussies are to sledging, Pakistanis, and Indians to overappealing.
full_length
U19 Vice-Captain
Neil Johnson bowled ten overs, fielded and batted fifty overs in a great match against Australia in England and hasn't been heard of since..
There are some limits for most human beings. That's not got much to do with conditions in a daynight match!
Both teams have similar conditions. The subcontinent is one half of cricket. It's an excuse (and not a reason) when someone says "we can't play in this weather" when the other team can and is.
The conditions could be very bad during the day. But in a daynight match it's usually bearable. BTW, it's a misconception that Indians and Sri Lankans dont get dehydrated.
Remember the Australian Open is played sometimes in 40 degrees Celcius. It's not that Australians and SAans (my SA friends cant stop boasting about 'warm and sunny SA'
) are biologically incapable of playing in the sun! As long as the schedule is reasonable ....(three consecutive games would be preposterous, as would playing four games in 8 days in ANY conditions)
Maybe Australia should sell their icepacks to other teams
There are some limits for most human beings. That's not got much to do with conditions in a daynight match!
Both teams have similar conditions. The subcontinent is one half of cricket. It's an excuse (and not a reason) when someone says "we can't play in this weather" when the other team can and is.
The conditions could be very bad during the day. But in a daynight match it's usually bearable. BTW, it's a misconception that Indians and Sri Lankans dont get dehydrated.
Remember the Australian Open is played sometimes in 40 degrees Celcius. It's not that Australians and SAans (my SA friends cant stop boasting about 'warm and sunny SA'
) are biologically incapable of playing in the sun! As long as the schedule is reasonable ....(three consecutive games would be preposterous, as would playing four games in 8 days in ANY conditions) Maybe Australia should sell their icepacks to other teams
full_length
U19 Vice-Captain
Eddie, you are right about humidity being very tiring.
You've got to have a good backup of physios who understand the conditions, and relaxed rules allowing players to drink fluids more often during the match. Sometimes in Sharjah it's not done, and that's usually stupid.
Interestingly, you'd find it easier to go around at 1:00 pm in Madras than in Delhi. In Madras, humidity levels are higher, and while you are tired, the sweating cools you a little bit. In Delhi you'll get a sunstroke- the humidity levels can be really low. I havent looked this up in any textbook, but dry heat can be more harmfull than high relative humidity. With appropriate fluid intake, you can manage to survive the day. I find that I drink four times (perhaps) as much water here in the US, than the others around here (I am from Madras) though that's going down now that I'm in COLD Michigan.
You've got to have a good backup of physios who understand the conditions, and relaxed rules allowing players to drink fluids more often during the match. Sometimes in Sharjah it's not done, and that's usually stupid.
Interestingly, you'd find it easier to go around at 1:00 pm in Madras than in Delhi. In Madras, humidity levels are higher, and while you are tired, the sweating cools you a little bit. In Delhi you'll get a sunstroke- the humidity levels can be really low. I havent looked this up in any textbook, but dry heat can be more harmfull than high relative humidity. With appropriate fluid intake, you can manage to survive the day. I find that I drink four times (perhaps) as much water here in the US, than the others around here (I am from Madras) though that's going down now that I'm in COLD Michigan.
full_length
U19 Vice-Captain
Completely irrelevant.
Johnson never again came up with the kind of all round performances he was consistently churning out till then. He hardly ever bowled at his fastest, sometimes didnt bowl at all, and was picked as a batsman. But that innings of 130 (?) was simply outstanding. The Aussies were all at sea bowling to him.
If the climate is going to be such a big factor, then the Indians are probably going to be better off playing Aus rather than SL simply because the Lankans are more used to the conditions and can recover faster. Plus, they will have more energy and motivation cos they are playing at home.
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Well... Agarkar has not bowled at all well this summer and is liable to be expensive - if Sangakkara/Gilchrist/Jayasuriya etc. got hold of him it wouldn't be too pretty, and with India having a weak 5th bowler as things stand it wouldn't help them at all. Srinath would be a better pick IMO.
luckyeddie
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aussie_beater
State Vice-Captain
Srinath should have been in the team in the first place.He is India's numer one pace bowler and has been going great guns in the county matches this season.If Ganguly has asked for him as a replacement to Nehra, that just shows how badly Srinath is needed and Gagnuly knows it too.
If Srinath was kept in the ODI squad in England, I think there was a chance of him being persuaded to play tests in England too but as he was overlooked for the ODI side, Ganguly's appeals to him for coming back from retirement in tests fell flat.
masterblaster
International Captain
Well Ill be a very happy man, If Srinath is picked again, although for Indian Cricket it will be a backward step. Their "Youth Influx policy" has really been superb, theve approached a fantastic attitude of "out with the old, in with the new", and John Wright and Sourav Ganguly are to take credit for this. This is why guys like Venkatesh Prasad, Venkatapathy Raju, Samir Dighe and Nayan Mongia are not recalled, and instead Ashish Nehra, Zaheer Khan, Ajay Ratra and Parthiv Patel are included.
I agree Nehra is bowling Pathetically at the moment, but taking Srinath I feel would be a backward step. Zaheer Khan I must admit has been a superb bowler for India in England and now in the champions trophy, I feel someone like Tinu Yohannan or even Ajit Agarkar could fill the gap, as poor old Srinath is a mentally tired and physically tired bowler,
Although I am willing to eat my words if Srinath comes on and takes a 4 or 5 wicket bag!
I agree Nehra is bowling Pathetically at the moment, but taking Srinath I feel would be a backward step. Zaheer Khan I must admit has been a superb bowler for India in England and now in the champions trophy, I feel someone like Tinu Yohannan or even Ajit Agarkar could fill the gap, as poor old Srinath is a mentally tired and physically tired bowler,
Although I am willing to eat my words if Srinath comes on and takes a 4 or 5 wicket bag!
So far, my second prediction(that Aus will fall to SL) is coming true. From this position, SL should make it barring a really shocking collapse(80 for 1 in 19 overs chasing 163). SL vs India will start with SL as definite favourites. However, the Indians are the best bet to counter the SL spinners on the slow turners in SL. If the Indian batsmen rise to the occasion, it's going to be an absorbing final.