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[Jamee999]

I will pass that onto my supervisor.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Ok, we're getting a bit of a build up here.

Enquiries are now closed until the last 5-6 comparisons are statistically proven...apologies from the stats staff but it's a bit of a busy weekend, and we are coming in outside office hours to try and clear things up!

 

[SJS]

CHAIRMAN'S ADDRESS​

Hi everybody,

This is Grandpa Sjs speaking. I have ben away proving that Indian hospitality matches Australian as I play host to my great friend Jeremy and his wife Penny from Melbourne over an extended weekend. They were great companions on my first ever trip to the Ozzie land in Sept 2000 and I am trying to pay back some interest on the great time that I had with them and their family at Mallakootta.

By the way, they have two grown up sons who are passionate cricketers and with whom I played a teeny bit of cricket five years ago on an abandoned field in Mallakoota. In case either of them is a memeber of CW, you are entitled to address me as Sjs uncle

Coming to the rush of queries on this thread, I would like to say a few words.

1. At the outset, I would like to commend my CSO aka SOC for the absolutely fantastic job he has been doing in holding fort while I take my "weak-end-off".

2. I see that he has acquired a fairly enthusiastic asssistant in the Ray-Charles+Upside-Down-Devil incarnate young James. Or rather young James has artfully managed to acquire himself a superviser and , thereby, surreptitiously, a job. I am suitably impressed by the uncanny native initiative of the young man and welcome him to a stint of as apprentice to this great institution.

3. To our ever increasing band of inquisitive freak-stat-freaks and to my support staff I would like to clarify that
a) we present facts, the partial facts and nothing but the facts. We do not manufacture facts !!
b) We provide statistics that are absolutely indisputable to prove the opinions of our clientele and these stats are authentic !!. We do not fabricate them.
c) So while we can show stats to support your argument that Namibia are the best cricketing nation in the world or that they are/have been capable of winning any of the world cups (cricket mainly since its our wrea of expertise), we cant prove they have actually won a world cup

Because this is factually incorrect !!

We are not bull-shi****s !! We have our credibilty to think of !!

We provide ONE HUNDRED PERCENT factual data and statistics to support your arguments. So please do not expect us to do the unethical thing ever as some our peers, who shall remain unmentioned, have the tendency to do.

Thank you for your patient hearing.

Sjs

 

[Sudeep]

Anyway, check out the Women's World Cup of 1973, please, Sudeep. And the Women's World Cup of 1993.

My bad, then.

 

[Sudeep]

2. I see that he has acquired a fairly enthusiastic asssistant in the Ray-Charles+Upside-Down-Devil incarnate young James. Or rather young James has artfully managed to acquire himself a superviser and , thereby, surreptitiously, a job. I am suitably impressed by the uncanny native initiative of the young man and welcome him to a stint of as apprentice to this great institution.

Jamee?

 

[SJS]

Jamee?

I will pass that onto my supervisor.

 

[Sudeep]

I hope my query is the next in line.

Tendulkar's batting more valuable to India than Dravid's, since 2002?

 

[SJS]

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[SJS]

Richard and TEC claim that White is a more talented bowler than McGrath. As their word is sufficient evidence on that score and McGrath is better than Cairns, that issue is settled.

As we have already settled the fieding issue, all we need now is batting stats.

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[vic_orthdox]

Can I attempt to do my own on Shane Warne versus Brad Hogg??

 

[andyc]

COMMERCIAL NOTICE​

All interested parties are advised to take note that with immediate effect al future advise/assistance rendered on this thread will be charged for.

Mr LegGlancer has been apointed as the Head of FinancialTransactions (on a temporary basis till his ratification and confirmation by the Board) and he will be deciding on the fees payable for each query.

For the queries already with us we are working out a suitable discount structure and "early-bird" award system soas to give them preferential treatment for the queries in process.

i had already asked for proof that glenn mcgrath was a better and more agressive batsman than adam gilchrist before this announcement, so does that mean i have to pay... and if i do, do you except doggy treats?

 

[Son Of Coco]

i had already asked for proof that glenn mcgrath was a better and more agressive batsman than adam gilchrist before this announcement, so does that mean i have to pay... and if i do, do you except doggy treats?

Given the quality of the question i think it should be allowed through free of charge! I'm happy to lend some free time to this one as it is very worthy of statistical analysis...tomorrow.

 

[LongHopCassidy]

1. Benjamin Aislabie was a superior batsman to Don Bradman.

Well, batting prodigy Aislabie managed to play first-class cricket from 1808 to 1841, making his FC cricket career 33 years. Don Bradman played from 1927 to 1949, making his career 22 years. Therefore Aislabie is half as good again as the impostor to the title of cricket's greatest, since his batting talents were considered desirable for an extra 11 years.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Jack's Late Night Theses, numero uno.

Why Brad Hogg is a better Test bowler than Shane Warne.

The one great criticism of Shane Warne is that he has never performed well against the best players of spin, those wristy craftsmen from India. Knowing that this was the chink in his armour, I decided that I may be able to derive the truth from this decades old argument through the respective performances of these bowlers versus the great Indians.

And exploit these figures I did. Now, for the uninformed, Brad Hogg made his debut against India in 1996, when Shane Warne had made his debut 4 years earlier. Now, as we all know, the years from 1990 to 1997 were India's glory years, with Tendulkar, Kambli, Azharuddin, Sidhu, Shastri, young Dravid and an in form Ganguly making them an irrepresible force against slow bowlers. However, after this, clearly India's prowess against spin bowling has worsened, as illustrated by the fact that in Muttiah Muralitharan, widely seen as the greatest bowler ever (except by Australian umpires), averaged 44.14 versus India before 1997, but since then has averaged 19.3 versus the Indian superstars, while Daniel Vettori and Mohammad Rafique have taken 19 and 9 more wickets respectively in the period after 1998, as opposed to their figures against India before this time, therefore displaying that Indian batsman are far less adept to playing spin than what they once were.

Therefore having established that Indian batsman are unable to play spin since the start of 1998, I decided to compare Brad Hogg and Shane Warne's stats versus India in India up to the end of 1997, as this is widely seen (by this commentator anyway) as the truest test for a spinner. Lo and behold, Brad Hogg has taken infinite times the number of wickets that Shane Warne has in India during this time. In fact, showing his complete incompetence, Shane Warne never took a wicket in India pre 1998, therefore making him clearly a worse bowler than Brad Hogg, who at least was able to establish himself a bowling average in India during this period, unlike that plodder Warne. In fact, Warne's figures even put him behind the likes of Mark Waugh, Peter McIntyre and Nathan Haurtitz and on equal footing with such esteemed bowling greats as Justin Langer, WG Grace and Scott Muller, whom all share with Warne the indignation of never having taken an Indian wicket in India.

So in fairness, I decided to include all performances against India before 1998, to help re-establish Warne's fast waning credibility as a bowler of Test standard. Well, my intelligent contemporaries, the news only becomes more shocking. During this period, Shane Warne averages nearly 4 times what Brad Hogg does against the same opponents. It also took Shane Warne, on average, 408 deliveries to take a wicket. This makes Hogg's 69 average and 102 strike rate look Barnes-esque.

Having taken as many wickets as Warne versus India in this period, as well as having done it on the Indians' own backyard, in one quarter of the deliveries, and nearly one quarter of the runs, it therefore becomes fair to estimate that George Bradley Hogg is four times the test bowler that Shane Warne ever has been. This allows us to estimate that if Brad Hogg had've played as many tests as Shane Warne, he would have one quarter the average, and one quarter the strikerate, over the long term. When one allows for the fact that being such a destructive bowler, he would have been allowed to open the bowling becuase of his sheer class, and he would have demolished sides so quickly, we can also say that he would have bowled half of Australia's overs during this time. Therefore, I roughly estimate that Brad Hogg would have 2000 test wickets if he had've been given the opportunities that he rightly deserved, and that world cricket would become so boring and monotonous that he would have been banned from partaking in any cricket anywhere in the world by this time, as the ICC would have ruled that once any player takes 2000 test wickets, he becomes too good for the game.

Therefore, these are the figures Brad Hogg has been robbed of.

Matches
123
Overs
4916.4
Runs
12760
Wickets
2000
Average
6.38
Economy Rate
2.56
Strike Rate
14.74

Question me at your peril.

 

[jot1]

Who rates the threads? I think this one rates very high. I find it interesting, informative, highly entertaining and hilarious all at once. Do others feel like that too?

 

[honestbharani]

lol @ Hogg Vs Warne... On a similar note, Vic, can u prove that Chandana > Murali?

 

[SJS]

Nah, had a change of heart..... Prove that Vijay Dahiya was the best wicket keeper/batsman from India...... I am sure there are stats available for that one...

VIJAY DAHIYA'S STATUS AS A WICKET KEEPER BATSMAN FOR INDIA​

When my CSA(Chief Statistical Analyst), refered this query to me I wasnt surprised one bit. I am sure SoC was totaly perplexed as to why any one would need statistics to support the pre-eminent position Vijay Dahiya occupies in the pantheon of India's stumpers. There is hardly a statistic available that proves anything other than that besides this magnificient folllower of the grand tradition of glovemen. the other pretenders from the subcontinent were ,mere also-rans.

Let me quickly run you through his keeping record.

Wicket keeping in test matches :
Of all wicket keepers who played more than a single test match for India, Vijay Dahiya has the highest catches per test record in his career of 3.00. Here it is in comparison to those who were favoured by selectors but were not fit to polish Dahiya's gloves !!

Mongia Nayan : 2.25
More Kiran : 2.24
Patel Parthiv : 2.05
Ratra Ajay: 1.83
Kirmani S : 1.81
Dasgupta : 1.625
Engineer Farroukh : 1.43

VIJAY DAHIYA : 3.00

Keeping in ODI's

Of those who have played limited overs cricket for India (minimum 15 ODI's), Vijay Dahiya has the highest victims/ODI ratio at 1.26(catches or stumpings) per match. This figure stands out like a beacon of light before those of others who were so unfairly given more opportunities than this hugely talented Haryanvi !!

Mongia : 1.1
Vishwanath : 1.09
Sameer Dighe : 1.04
Vijay Yadav : 1.0
Kiran More : 0.96
Saba Karim : 0.88
C. Pandit : 0.83
Kirmani : 0.73
Dravid : 0.66

VIJAY DAHIYA 1.26

I think one need not say more about his wicket keeping.

Lets now turn our attention to his skills with the willow.

Dahiya As a batsman

In ODI's, Dahiya has scored a fifty every 15 innings played by him. This is the HIGHEST by any wicket keeper for India (qualification-minimum 15 innings) !!!The only exception is Rahul Dravid but we know he isnt a keeper in the true sense of the word. Here are the stats

Sameer Dighe : 17
Saba Kareem : 27
Mongia : 48

VIJAY DAHIYA : 15
More, Pandit and Kirmani NEVER scored a fifty in an ODI !!

In Tests :

Vijay Dahiya has a unique record in test matches which may be equalled but can never EVER be over taken by any batsman in the past or in the future !!

Vijay Dahiya has NEVER EVER been dismissed by any bowler in the world in a test match.

Even Don Bradman was dismissed 70 times !!!

Need we say more ??

 

[honestbharani]

VIJAY DAHIYA'S STATUS AS A WICKET KEEPER BATSMAN FOR INDIA​

When my CSA(Chief Statistical Analyst), refered this query to me I wasnt surprised one bit. I am sure SoC was totaly perplexed as to why any one would need statistics to support the pre-eminent position Vijay Dahiya occupies in the pantheon of India's stumpers. There is hardly a statistic available that proves anything other than that besides this magnificient folllower of the grand tradition of glovemen. the other pretenders from the subcontinent were ,mere also-rans.

Let me quickly run you through his keeping record.

Wicket keeping in test matches :
Of all wicket keepers who played more than a single test match for India, Vijay Dahiya has the highest catches per test record in his career of 3.00. Here it is in comparison to those who were favoured by selectors but were not fit to polish Dahiya's gloves !!

Mongia Nayan : 2.25
More Kiran : 2.24
Patel Parthiv : 2.05
Ratra Ajay: 1.83
Kirmani S : 1.81
Dasgupta : 1.625
Engineer Farroukh : 1.43

VIJAY DAHIYA : 3.00

Keeping in ODI's

Of those who have played limited overs cricket for India (minimum 15 ODI's), Vijay Dahiya has the highest victims/ODI ratio at 1.26(catches or stumpings) per match. This figure stands out like a beacon of light before those of others who were so unfairly given more opportunities than this hugely talented Haryanvi !!

Mongia : 1.1
Vishwanath : 1.09
Sameer Dighe : 1.04
Vijay Yadav : 1.0
Kiran More : 0.96
Saba Karim : 0.88
C. Pandit : 0.83
Kirmani : 0.73
Dravid : 0.66

VIJAY DAHIYA 1.26

I think one need not say more about his wicket keeping.

Lets now turn our attention to his skills with the willow.

Dahiya As a batsman

In ODI's, Dahiya has scored a fifty every 15 innings played by him. This is the HIGHEST by any wicket keeper for India (qualification-minimum 15 innings) !!!The only exception is Rahul Dravid but we know he isnt a keeper in the true sense of the word. Here are the stats

Sameer Dighe : 17
Saba Kareem : 27
Mongia : 48

VIJAY DAHIYA : 15
More, Pandit and Kirmani NEVER scored a fifty in an ODI !!

In Tests :

Vijay Dahiya has a unique record in test matches which may be equalled but can never EVER be over taken by any batsman in the past or in the future !!

Vijay Dahiya has NEVER EVER been dismissed by any bowler in the world in a test match.

Even Don Bradman was dismissed 70 times !!!

Need we say more ??

I knew I was on the right track about Dahiya. Great job, Sir.

 

[SJS]

Can u prove that I am the best wicketkeeper in India?



Pleaaaaaaaase.... Pretty Please........

There is one stat that goes hugely in your favour.

I went through mountains of past records since you posted this question and I must admit that you are the only wicket keeper I know of who has NEVER EVER missed a catch, muffed a stumping or even conceded a bye !!

Clearly a unique and wonderful achievement particularly considering it covers your entire international career AND first class career.

I have also discovered that you were never pulled up for sledging or excessive appealing (some reports even suggest that you did your fantastic job without any appealing whatsoever). Thus you must be the best role model for any young keepers wanting to make a mark in international arena as a gloveman.

I doff my hat to you.

 

[vic_orthdox]

lol @ Hogg Vs Warne... On a similar note, Vic, can u prove that Chandana > Murali?

Besides the fact that he's a far better player in the 1st edition of International Cricket Captain? *sigh*

I'll only perform that once I'm on the payroll.