Hayden calls Harbhajan an obnoxious weed

[legb4]

One thing is for sure !

Australia will be under so much scrutiny if they ever sledge another team for a long while.

India probably will not win the series but they have softened the Aussies for another team to enjoy the kill.

Interesting as I dont think I have seen any slander made by the Aussies to Sri Lanka.

Damn damn damn I only wish Ganguly and Ranatunga were still there, they would have really have stirred the pot!!!!!

 

[Burgey]

Hayden shoud not have got in trouble for telling the truth and further more what ever happend to freedom of speech.

Sorry mate, can't agree with you on this. He has a contract with CA, part of which relates to comments like this, and he clearly breached it imo. End of section.

Australia will be under so much scrutiny if they ever sledge another team for a long while.

India probably will not win the series but they have softened the Aussies for another team to enjoy the kill.

Interesting as I dont think I have seen any slander made by the Aussies to Sri Lanka.

Damn damn damn I only wish Ganguly and Ranatunga were still there, they would have really have stirred the pot!!!!!

Can't see Australia being under any more scrutiny than they and other teams already are tbh, unless there's a rule change. Dunno for whom they've been softened really, but who knows what will happen with a relatively inexperienced side?
Umm, Ganguly was here for the tests . What you say about SL is interesting. Perhaps it suggests it really is more of a personality clash between the sides than anything else at the centre of it all. All the more reason for comments from both parties not to be made, I would have thought.

 

[silentstriker]

I think Hayden's slap on the wrist was just to shut the Indians up from whinging about it.

Yea, it's whinging when your batsman goes and makes fun of a 19 year old kids accent. Even Symonds never did something so disgusting. I don't get personally offended by what millionaire crybabies do on the field, but I found that so cretinous that I'm just disgusted by him now.

 

[jeevan]

From Fox Sports


[Harbhajan sinks the boot in

By Jon Pierik
February 28, 2008



"I maintain my innocence, my intentions were never to denigrate cricket or anyone," he said.

"But in the spirit of cricket I respect and accept the decision."

Hayden's forced apology is unlikely to pass muster with Harbhajan, who did not hold back in making his retort.

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Does Hayden think the rest of the world to be retards or what? When you call someone an obnoxious weed, what else are you doing other than denigrating him. And he maintains his innocence - when caught on radio.

 

[Turbinator]

Yea, it's whinging when your batsman goes and makes fun of a 19 year old kids accent. Even Symonds never did something so disgusting. I don't get personally offended by what millionaire crybabies do on the field, but I found that so cretinous that I'm just disgusted by him now.

Yeah honestly that whole accent thing left me disgusted as well. And I'm just surprised more attention was not paid to it, in fact I found that more offensive than him calling Bhajji an obnoxious weed. It might be normal in Australia as some of you have said (of which I am quite surprised), but honestly, something like that over here would be damned instantly. ****ing atrocious.

 

[honestbharani]

Sorry, but that's just splitting hairs. It would be like someone trying to defend Lehmann by saying that his intent was just to call the Sri Lankans "c-bombs", and that the word "black" was just a factual descriptor- therefore what he said was offensive, but not racial villification. Any reasonable person would be aware that the phrase would be taken as being racially offensive, and so the words WERE racially offensive. Just as anyone with even a passing knowledge of the recent months events would know that Symonds (and, for that matter, any person of Afro-Caribbean descent) would consider that phrase to be racially offensive, therefore it is.

But, Harbhajan wasn't proved to have used that phrase, so the point is moot.

This has been debated (and I use the term VERY loosely) here ad nauseum. I have no interest in doing so again. We disagree- let's leave it at that.

If the law is going to take into account every single word that is found offensive for every single person, we won't see anyone talking to opponents in the cricket field again.


As I said, Lehmann's comments show an obvious racial villification of a whole country and its cricketers BASED on their skin color, whereas what Harbhajan "allegedly" said can still be argued that it was said with absolutely no racist intent... It may be a racist comment according to Symonds but there is real good ground to consider that Harbhajan didn't mean it in that way.... I don't know why you can't figure out the difference because Lehmann did use the word "black" and it is obvious he was denigerating a whole nation or at least its cricket team on the basis of race but with Harbhajan, he wasn't doing anything of the sort. IT was a comment made to ONE individual comparing him to an animal and he has a track record of having been friendly with a number of guys of the same descent..... Don't understand how a lawyer can't shoot holes if that case came to court. I understand why someone like Symonds may consider it racially abusive and insulting but as I said, unlike the Lehmann case, there is no black and white proof here that Harbhajan did mean to insult him racially... And the same with the Indian crowds..

 

[Burgey]

Yeah honestly that whole accent thing left me disgusted as well. And I'm just surprised more attention was not paid to it, in fact I found that more offensive than him calling Bhajji an obnoxious weed. It might be normal in Australia as some of you have said (of which I am quite surprised), but honestly, something like that over here would be damned instantly. ****ing atrocious.

I think it's passe for most people here - or at least I would hope most people are well and truly beyond it by now. Ordinary, imo, and worse than the obnoxious weed comment.

As for the maintaining his innocence comment, well that's frankly laughable.

 

[honestbharani]

Hayden is a monkey because he pointed out that Bhajji is an obnoxious weed? You want to take a step back and actually look at the behaviour record of both players?

U might wanna do that too??????


Remember Hayden saying Laxman was scared of fast bowling.... Remember Hayden telling he will play the Indian seamers very easily by walking down the track to them... Remember Hayden mentioning all other sorta nonsense before each series.....


Seriously, do try to take a look at BOTH their history. Juz because what Hayden does doesn't get him fines and reprimands doesn't mean he has been an angel...


And yes, anyone who makes fun of a person's accent is a monkey. How the hell can that NOT be considered as racism???

 

[honestbharani]

Same Indian public made monkey noises and gestures at Symonds. That IS a racist thing to do. It doesn't mean all Indians are racist, however.

The same Indian public who chat Lara or Richards' name everytime they visit the country. Surely, they are not idiots who think that Symonds and these guys come from different backgrounds...


Face it, Symonds gets such reactions because he acts like one... Others who know how to behave get on just fine with Indians. I agree it is a racist thing to do, but to show that it was intended to be that way would be a stretch, esp. given the track record of African and West Indian team receptions in India..... I am not for a moment saying it is right.. It was wrong and it should be banned, but whatever Hayden is saying is just as bad. That was the point all along.

 

[Burgey]

Symonds might get the reactions he does coz he acts in a stupid way, but I really do think "monkey" is a bit beyond the pale (forgive the uninteded pun).

 

[honestbharani]

That's sort of like jaywalking is illegal, and murder is illegal, therefore jaywalking = murder.

except that unlike with jaywalking and murder, between abuse and racial comments, there is a common ground... Both of them are insulting and derogatory to the person who is in the receiving end and therefore, at the end of the day, if THAT person says that a certain comment like the "F" word hurts him more than any racist remark, then that is what is going to define the limit........


Can't believe you cannot understand that even now... Comparing this with jaywalking and murder is just...meh.

 

[Turbinator]

Symonds might get the reactions he does coz he acts in a stupid way, but I really do think "monkey" is a bit beyond the pale (forgive the uninteded pun).

 

[honestbharani]

Symonds might get the reactions he does coz he acts in a stupid way, but I really do think "monkey" is a bit beyond the pale (forgive the uninteded pun).

Don't mean to deny that at all. It was bad and is still bad to call him that... But the point is, if we are going to regard what is offensive to Symonds and judge comments made to him based on that, why not do the same based on what is offensive to Bhajji or Sreesanth or Ishant too?

 

[Burgey]

Don't mean to deny that at all. It was bad and is still bad to call him that... But the point is, if we are going to regard what is offensive to Symonds and judge comments made to him based on that, why not do the same based on what is offensive to Bhajji or Sreesanth or Ishant too?

I agree with you mate, I really do. I think it illustrates that tolerance is a two-way street. Hence why Hogg was castigated for the "bastard" comment.

 

[honestbharani]

I agree with you mate, I really do. I think it illustrates that tolerance is a two-way street. Hence why Hogg was castigated for the "bastard" comment.

Indeed. The only reason I even mentioned the whole "monkey" thing was because some Aussies here were acting as though whatever Hayden said was ok simply because it was "true"... It perhaps is true with Symonds being insulted too but that doesn't mean it is ok, is it??? That was my point.


SS, wont bring up the monkey thing again. Sorry.

 

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Hahaha. This tour has been crazy. At least there hasn't been a dull moment, bring on the return leg!

 

[Burgey]

Yep, certainly no shortage of discussion this time around.

 

[Anil]

Here are full comments by Hayden. Loved his imitation of Sharma's accent.

what a pathetic, cheap prick hayden is! he got off lightly this time, hopefully at some point, morons like that will be properly disciplined....

 

[Dusty Lee]

Yea, it's whinging when your batsman goes and makes fun of a 19 year old kids accent. Even Symonds never did something so disgusting. I don't get personally offended by what millionaire crybabies do on the field, but I found that so cretinous that I'm just disgusted by him now.

Is that true, did Hayden mock Sharma's accent? Thats the first I have heard of it.

 

[duffer]

Is that true, did Hayden mock Sharma's accent? Thats the first I have heard of it.

Listen to the audio quoted above you.