Hayden calls Harbhajan an obnoxious weed

[sledger]

No it doesnt. However the Australians attempting to finesse the distinctions between 'plain' sledging and racist abuse is sheer nonsense. Hayden's mimicking there of Ishant was as offensive as Harbhajan allegedly calling Symonds a monkey, except there was proof in this one.

couldnt agree the more, the original point I was trying to make, was just because "monkey" is not an offensive term in india that doesnt mean that it should be excused elsewhere in the world where the meaning is more offensive.

 

[ret]

couldnt agree the more, the original point I was trying to make, was just because "monkey" is not an offensive term in india that doesnt mean that it should be excused elsewhere in the world where the meaning is more offensive.

agree with that and in that context the same applies for the OZs, i.e. just because their 'friendly' banter is not offensive in their culture, it doesn't mean that it should be excused elsewhere in the world where the meaning is offensive *just used ur lines*

and Haydo's calling Bhajji a weed is probably because he fails to understand the difference coz he sees calling monkey as as 'crossing' the line while conveniently forgetting that his excessive 'friendly' banter could imply the same for the Ind team and he is an obnoxious weed too for the Ind team [in that context ofc]

PS i will restate what i said earlier "if Symo calls Bhajji or any other Ind anything, then Inds hv a right to call him a monkey coz at the end of the day both teams are saying things according to the parameters of whats acceptable in their cultures. If the OZs are going to complain abt that remark and continue sledging then i don't see a point in that"

cheers

 

[silentstriker]

agree with that and in that context the same applies for the OZs, i.e. just because their 'friendly' banter is not offensive in their culture, it doesn't mean that it should be excused elsewhere in the world where the meaning is offensive *just used ur lines*

and Haydo's calling Bhajji a weed is probably because he fails to understand the difference coz he sees calling monkey as as 'crossing' the line while conveniently forgetting that his excessive 'friendly' banter could imply the same for the Ind team and he is an obnoxious weed too for the Ind team [in that context ofc]

PS i will restate what i said earlier "if Symo calls Bhajji or any other Ind anything, then Inds hv a right to call him a monkey coz at the end of the day both teams are saying things according to the parameters of whats acceptable in their cultures. If the OZs are going to complain abt that remark and continue sledging then i don't see a point in that"

cheers

Mate I would advise you to go back and read the threads on 'monkey'. In short, it is not acceptable to be racist, ever.

 

[jeevan]

agree with that and in that context the same applies for the OZs, i.e. just because their 'friendly' banter is not offensive in their culture, it doesn't mean that it should be excused elsewhere in the world where the meaning is offensive *just used ur lines*

and Haydo's calling Bhajji a weed is probably because he fails to understand the difference coz he sees calling monkey as as 'crossing' the line while conveniently forgetting that his excessive 'friendly' banter could imply the same for the Ind team and he is an obnoxious weed too for the Ind team [in that context ofc]

PS i will restate what i said earlier "if Symo calls Bhajji or any other Ind anything, then Inds hv a right to call him a monkey coz at the end of the day both teams are saying things according to the parameters of whats acceptable in their cultures. If the OZs are going to complain abt that remark and continue sledging then i don't see a point in that"

cheers

The problem that I have with this argument is that it allows a race to the bottom.

 

[ret]

Mate I would advise you to go back and read the threads on 'monkey'. In short, it is not acceptable to be racist, ever.

agree with you 100% on racism but the Q is what constitutes 'racism'

And to let you know, when in school, i was NEVER punished for calling someone a 'monkey', a 'donkey' or whatever animal or bird but definitely got the stick for using bad lang like the b-word, the f-word, etc or doing the OZ style

and did anyone pull you up for cracking 'Sardar' jokes? if you look at it closely then it's probably racism too

yes, it's not acceptable to be racist but the parameters of whats constitutes racism should be clear and universally accepted

cheers

 

[silentstriker]

agree with you 100% on racism but the Q is what constitutes 'racism'

And to let you know, when in school, i was NEVER punished for calling someone a 'monkey', a 'donkey' or whatever animal or bird but definitely got the stick for using bad lang like the b-word,

Just because you didn't get punished, it means nothing. And you probably weren't talking to a black guy when you said those words.

 

[ret]

Just because you didn't get punished, it means nothing. And you probably weren't talking to a black guy when you said those words.

when you are NOT taught of how words are implied universally then you are not usually aware of what consequences the use of that word brings .... if i was not taught that in school, it means that, probably, many others were NOT taught that in school, which means that it has not to be taken as racist from an Ind PoV, just like the jokes on 'Sardarji'

yes, it's not good to call anyone who looks like a monkey a monkey or a lame guy lame or whatever

my point is just taking out whats offensive or not complaining, along with taking out hypocrisy, in simple math

racism = offensive
bad on-field behavior = offensive
offensive = offensive

like 2+2 is always 4 and the reason it's universally accepted. my point is to take make things universally accepted and not take whats offensive to one culture as offensive and treat whats not offensive in your culture even though it could be offensive in other's culture as acceptable

cheers

 

[silentstriker]

when you are NOT taught of how words are implied universally then you are not usually aware of what consequences the use of that word brings .... if i was not taught that in school, it means that, probably, many others were NOT taught that in school, which means that it has not to be taken as racist from an Ind PoV, just like the jokes on 'Sardarji'

yes, it's not good to call anyone who looks like a monkey a monkey or a lame guy lame or whatever

my point is just taking out whats offensive or not complaining, along with taking out hypocrisy, in simple math

racism = offensive
bad on-field behavior = offensive
offensive = offensive

like 2+2 is always 4 and the reason it's universally accepted. my point is to take make things universally accepted and not take whats offensive to one culture as offensive and treat whats not offensive in your culture even though it could be offensive in other's culture as acceptable

cheers

That's sort of like jaywalking is illegal, and murder is illegal, therefore jaywalking = murder.

 

[Cevno]

Just because you didn't get punished, it means nothing. And you probably weren't talking to a black guy when you said those words.

Aren't all indians supposed to be black or brown?
I have called many of my friends monkey and so have called my sister a "bandar" or a monkey when she used to jump arrounf when she was small.So i am a racist?

 

[ret]

That's sort of like jaywalking is illegal, and murder is illegal, therefore jaywalking = murder.

the correct eq for that^ would be

jaywalking = illegal
murder = illegal
illegal = illegal, which would imply that both are punishable

and the other point is, how seriously ppl r going to take the take on racism when many saying 'monkey' = racism and go on to crack jokes on 'Sardarji' and/or laugh abt it

cheers

 

[Engle]

jaywalking = illegal
murder = illegal
illegal = illegal, which would imply that both are punishable

Yeah, but not punishable with the same sentence

 

[Smudge]

Listened to the clip and wrt Hayden, it is not just that he has a visceral dislike for Harbhajan - as the original quotes had suggested. While that was very impolitic, was still understandable.
His mocking Ishant (atleast as racist as calling Symonds a monkey) and the Indian team (losing every game - c'mon buddy!).

Deeper problems there. Here in the US, he would be classified as a redneck or white trash.

And in Australia, he's classified as a Queenslander...


The clip smacks of Hayden a) thinking he's a riot and b) playing up to his audience and the DJs. Either way, it just adds to the dislike (no, pasag, not hatred) I have for the smug, balding jerk who stands at first slip with the body language of a man who thinks he can do no wrong.

 

[sirdj]

Big ugly bold ape (Am I right?) calls Harbhajan a "obnoxious weed". Can't disagree though. But this bully needs a ban with his mate Symonds for boorish behavior. I'd first shoot the three SL life gaurds that pulled these two out in a near drowning experiance in southers SL few years back. They should have let these two pieces of sh*t drown.

Really!!........did not know about this.

 

[PhoenixFire]

Never liked Hayden tbh, like him even less now. I've never been one to stick up for Bhaji, but what Hayden said was out of order and he should probably be sanctioned.

 

[Jono]

And in Australia, he's classified as a Queenslander...


The clip smacks of Hayden a) thinking he's a riot and b) playing up to his audience and the DJs. Either way, it just adds to the dislike (no, pasag, not hatred) I have for the smug, balding jerk who stands at first slip with the body language of a man who thinks he can do no wrong.

That's exactly it. He thinks hit **** don't stink. One of the most arrogant cricketers I can think of. And the way he said exactly what the DJs wanted was disgraceful.

Wish someone would show him a photo of his face when he shouldered arms to Ambrose a decade or so ago. He can try and bully a 19 year old (and he's been worked over by him previously too!), but Ambrose would give him a touch-up, whether it be on a cricket pitch or in the ring. Don't think he'd be throwing too many boxing invites to big old Curtley.

 

[PhoenixFire]

That's exactly it. He thinks hit **** don't stink. One of the most arrogant cricketers I can think of. And the way he said exactly what the DJs wanted was disgraceful.

Wish someone would show him a photo of his face when he shouldered arms to Ambrose a decade or so ago. He can try and bully a 19 year old (and he's been worked over by him previously too!), but Ambrose would give him a touch-up, whether it be on a cricket pitch or in the ring. Don't think he'd be throwing too many boxing invites to big old Curtley.

Best post.

 

[sirdj]

Please don't get into the monkey thing again. That part is done, and I'm going to close this thread if people start calling Symonds a monkey again. And people are going to start getting bans.

Heh heh

 

[sirdj]

Someone seriously need to start throwing a punch. Please. This is way too tiring.

Hey I'm 6'4 and 130 kilos......was even in school boxing team..........lemme know if ya need me.

 

[sirdj]

Surely it would be more fun to actually work out the boxing match ups (and likely winners)....

Ponting v Tendulkar
Dhoni v Gilchrist
Hogg v Kumble
Shrinath v Lee
Harbajhan v Hogg
Ishant Sharms v Stuart Clarke


I'm just not sure if any of the Indian players would have the bravado to step into the ring with Symonds (or Hayden for that matter)

We could have a handicap match WWF style.........Lets say Bhajji & Pathan v/s Symmo

and Sehwag & Munaf v/s Hayden

 

[Cevno]

We could have a handicap match WWF style.........Lets say Bhajji & Pathan v/s Symmo

and Sehwag & Munaf v/s Hayden

Can india call pankaj singh and vrv singh back?