Freddie claims he was shot at in Delhi....

[marc71178]

The fact is though, that it might have happened exactly as Flintoff said it did. I don't really know why he'd have a reason to conjure it all up out of mid-air.

Well it appears that Sky Sports have a clip of the incident which certainly doesn't suggest he's making it up...

 

[Scaly piscine]

Well it appears that Sky Sports have a clip of the incident which certainly doesn't suggest he's making it up...

Hmmm... are they showing it on their news channels (the ones you can get free on freeview)?

 

[Pedro Delgado]

Hmmm... are they showing it on their news channels (the ones you can get free on freeview)?

Yes its been on, basically shows Fred rubbing and pointing to his shoulder and mouthing "'av 'bin shot".

There will be no sympathy in some quarters for this white devil though, still.

 

[Slow Love™]

How come whenever anything has happened, you've experienced it in your lifetime?

Somehow, I don't have any trouble imagining that C_C might have had shots fired in his general direction at some stage, though...

 

[greg]

Yes its been on, basically shows Fred rubbing and pointing to his shoulder and mouthing "'av 'bin shot".

There will be no sympathy in some quarters for this white devil though, still.

No of course not, Pedro. Because they've given themselves the option, if it were true, of declaring Flintoff to being the dumbest individual in the history of the human race

 

[Dasa]

LOL! Brilliant SL.

And CC I very much doubt Flintoff would make it up, and I don't think he exaggerated it. The real irritating thing was the conspiracy theories that were made on the board. Its quite ironic, since Indian fans who claim teh ICC is biased against India (which I totally disagree with mind you) are called idiots full of conspiracy theories, but its all fine and dandy when it goes the other way.

Just watch most people ignore that and continue on their merry way. Double standards are OK now!

 

[Pratters]

It is concerning an issue of this was not made earlier. Whoever's fault it is for not making it an issue - the ICC, the ECB or BCCI's or all of them. Players are humans and they should feel secured while playing.

That said, Indian crowds are not hooligans which such incidents potray them to be. Among thousands of spectators these are just few people who give every one a bad name.

I am surprised and disappointed Flintoff has to mention such an incident now, if even in his book. I do not have a problem with players saying the truth or what they feel of incidents honestly in their books. But such opinions and books revealing stuff should be written after retirement.

An issue was not made then. With it being talked about now, the case is of one person's word against another. Chauhan and people not accepting it to be true. Creates unnecessary controversy before an England tour of India looked forward by every one.

 

[Sanz]

Then i guess hitting visiting players by means of plastic bottles and other objects is considered to be respectable act over there!

And when did I say crowd trouble is a respectable thing ? And what has crowd trouble got to do with 'bad reception' of players ? In case you missed I have already said that on an avg. there are about 50/60000 people go to watch a game and it is possible that there could be some idiots in the crowd, it doesn't mean that fans in general are going to chastise Flintoff over his remark. In fact most fans are they are going to enjoy the game and if Flintoff plays well then appreciate his game as well.

I can tell you this for sure that 99% of the fans wont even recognize Flintoff (Not to forget It is hardly possible to recognize a player from the stands, unless you have a very good seat and he is fielding in front of you or have a binoculors with you)

 

[Pratters]

I can tell you this for sure that 99% of the fans wont even recognize Flintoff (Not to forget It is hardly possible to recognize a player from the stands, unless you have a very good seat and he is fielding in front of you or have a binoculors with you)

You are totally wrong there. Go to see a match in India. The people are fairly knowledgeable about the game and can say who is who from a distance. The people in the stands always wonder who is the guy fielding at the slips at the moment, who is fielding here and who is fielding there. People with binocs help.

Also almost every one knows who the player standing near the boundary line close to them are. They even keep trying to interact with that specific player calling his name. A glance from the player cheers the crowd.

 

[Sanz]

Incidentally, it was not a headline in The Times - just a very minor section indeed. The rest of the media (and Sanz) have just blown it out of all proportion (as usual).

You are such a hypocrite eddie, did you even read the first page of this thread before you went on accuse me blowing it out of proportion ? Let me quote some of the stuff that was posted on the 1st page of this thread :-

"...India were able to get away with it completely..."

"..Why the hell is anybody even allowed to bring any sort of firearm in? "

"...Another example of pro-Asian bias from the ICC..."

"....Good luck with removing a pellet gun from somewhere within an Indian crowd "

"..a certain country picking at the seam when they were playing England was equally well swept under the carpet..."

But anyways, you being you cant question the wisdom of your countrymen and would rather talk about the gun cluture in America and how I have been desanitized.

 

[Sanz]

You are totally wrong there. Go to see a match in India. The people are fairly knowledgeable about the game and can say who is who from a distance. The people in the stands always wonder who is the guy fielding at the slips at the moment, who is fielding here and who is fielding there. People with binocs help.

Also almost every one knows who the player standing near the boundary line close to them are. They even keep trying to interact with that specific player calling his name. A glance from the player cheers the crowd.

And when did I say that people are not knowledgeble about the game, did I even talk about that ?

And i dont know how I am totally wrong there when you basically repeated the same stuff about recognizing players. To interact with the players you obviously have to some where near the fence.

 

[Pratters]

And when did I say that people are not knowledgeble about the game, did I even talk about that ?

And i dont know how I am totally wrong there when you basically repeated the same stuff about recognizing players. To interact with the players you obviously have to some where near the fence.

You stated 99 percent people wont recognise Flintoff. I countered you on that.

 

[Sanz]

You stated 99 percent people wont recognise Flintoff. I countered you on that.

Since you are on not-picking, I also said about 50/60000 people go to watch cricket and if he is standing near the fence 1 % would be about 500/600 people in the stand in front of which he is fielding and I dont think I am far off of my evaluation.

 

[Pratters]

Since you are on not-picking, I also said about 50/60000 people go to watch cricket and if he is standing near the fence 1 % would be about 500/600 people in the stand in front of which he is fielding and I dont think I am far off of my evaluation.

Please explain a bit more clearly how 99 percent pepole in the stands will not recognise who Flintoff is!

 

[greg]

In an English ground it is perfectly possible (especially if you can consult with people around you) to identify every person in the ground. Is there a heavy smog obscuring the view in indian grounds?

 

[Pedro Delgado]

I think Sanz means nobody really gives a feck who Freddie is over there.

 

[Shounak]

Players all look like (white) ants when you watch in a stadium.. It's not always easy to recognise which player is in which position. Unless you have front row seats, binoculars or superman vision..

 

[Scaly piscine]

An issue was not made then. With it being talked about now, the case is of one person's word against another. Chauhan and people not accepting it to be true. Creates unnecessary controversy before an England tour of India looked forward by every one.

Except it isn't one word against another because the game was filmed and there's records of a stoppage in things like cricinfo. Also those that are speaking out against Flintoff on this incident are going to have some explaining to do if the footage proves to be conclusive.

 

[Pratters]

Players all look like (white) ants when you watch in a stadium.. It's not always easy to recognise which player is in which position. Unless you have front row seats, binoculars or superman vision..

Most people know eventually who is fielding where.

 

[Shounak]

How though? If you're sitting way back in the Eden Garden's stadium, you not only have thousands of people to look over but also the caging (or whatever it is).

If I quickly said "Mid On, who's the fielder?". It would be hard for you to answer. Same with me at the MCG.

But if the range was close enough to get hit by a pellet gun, then I'm sure the crowd member would certainly be able to identify Flintoff, especially at 19 stone..