Finding a balance

[age_master]

I must say the idea of experience doesn't appeal to me that much.

Players stats already evolve over time as it is!

i dont think experience should be a huge thing, just a little bonus every couple of seasons.

IRL experience has a huge iumpact on the way you play, learning from mistakes and such.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Don't have a chance to read all of today's comments right now, but I will give a little insight into how things are done currently. No bowling average starts below 20 or above 45. If someone lists their bowling average as 8, the average is adjusted to a basic 20 before actual rookie adjustments are made. It's the same with batting, where the batting average is set at 45 before rookie adjustments.

A player who indicates that he plays at a very low/poor level of cricket will be adjusted accordingly as well.

 

[chaminda_00]

if you want to be an all rounder you pick some slightly stronger battikng or bowling stats and work on the other over time.

Im not saying u need more all rounders it is just that with Loony Bob system that bowler will have to give up everything to be decent bowlers. You will end up with batting line with 4 No 11s, it will go too much the other way. With my suggestion of only been allowed to add 12 points to each area then bowlers don't have to give up everything to be a good bowler and still have some half decent batting and fielding stats. I don't think i explained myself probably the first time, hopefully this clarifies it.

How about the following...

First & Second season give 2 points.
All other seasons give 1 point.

A batting point is worth 2 runs added to your batting average.
A bowling point is worth 1 run taken off your bowling average.
A fielding point is worth 3 points in the fielding rating system (since it only works in multiples of 3 anyway).

If your batting average is above 50, you can not use your point to improve your batting.
If your bowling average is below 22, you can not use your point to improve your bowling.
If your fielding rating is 45, you can not use your point to improve your fielding.

Possibly also include this...

If your batting average is below 15, 1 point is worth 3 runs added to your batting average.
If your bowling average is above 50, 1 point is worth 3 runs removed from your bowling average.
If your fielding rating is below 12, that's your own damned fault!

Everyone's thoughts would be very welcome.

im personally in fair of these suggestions, having experience points will enourage new users like myself to want to play the game for a while and continually improve on my stats. I also think their should be something where player decrease after 10 seasons, therefore making it more similar to real life.

 

[age_master]

How about the following...

First & Second season give 2 points.
All other seasons give 1 point.

A batting point is worth 2 runs added to your batting average.
A bowling point is worth 1 run taken off your bowling average.
A fielding point is worth 3 points in the fielding rating system (since it only works in multiples of 3 anyway).

If your batting average is above 50, you can not use your point to improve your batting.
If your bowling average is below 22, you can not use your point to improve your bowling.
If your fielding rating is 45, you can not use your point to improve your fielding.

Possibly also include this...

If your batting average is below 15, 1 point is worth 3 runs added to your batting average.
If your bowling average is above 50, 1 point is worth 3 runs removed from your bowling average.
If your fielding rating is below 12, that's your own damned fault!

Everyone's thoughts would be very welcome.

As this is only FC & list A cricket looking at the stats 3 batsmen average over 40 which isn't alot, this is partly because of peoples SR's there still could be a few more. 7 bowlers averaged under 25 in 5 dayers which is pretty reasonable.

in OD
3 bowlers averaged under 25 and 11 batsmen over 40, so its almost the reverse.

 

[age_master]

Im not saying u need more all rounders it is just that with Loony Bob system that bowler will have to give up everything to be decent bowlers. You will end up with batting line with 4 No 11s, it will go too much the other way. With my suggestion of only been allowed to add 12 points to each area then bowlers don't have to give up everything to be a good bowler and still have some half decent batting and fielding stats. I don't think i explained myself probably the first time, hopefully this clarifies it.

the idea is that your not a superstar from the outset, that you will build your career up over time. building your batting, bowling or both.

 

[chaminda_00]

the idea is that your not a superstar from the outset, that you will build your career up over time. building your batting, bowling or both.

True that why i don't think u should have averages of 45 with bat when u start and 22 with the bowl.

Well heres the changes i was talking about last night to my first suggestion. What do u guys think??

 

[age_master]

i dont see any problem with people having stats that good if everyuthing else is rubbish, bad fielders let the side down more than slightly different averages, and are less likley to be selected for most teams. thats the risk people will take.

Green, who won the championship (lost the final but anyway...) dropped 154 catches during the league this season... some players were dropped due to the number of catches they dropped.

than again people dont realise this when they sign up do they

i think Liam adjusts the averages slightly anyway for rookies so its probably abit down on whatever we put.

 

[chaminda_00]

i dont see any problem with people having stats that good if everyuthing else is rubbish, bad fielders let the side down more than slightly different averages, and are less likley to be selected for most teams. thats the risk people will take.

Green, who won the championship (lost the final but anyway...) dropped 154 catches during the league this season... some players were dropped due to the number of catches they dropped.

than again people dont realise this when they sign up do they

i think Liam adjusts the averages slightly anyway for rookies so its probably abit down on whatever we put.

i can see what ur saying, but i think if ur going to have 14 max pts for each region then u have to have 4 slots for specialist batter and bowlers, with Loony Bob suggestions i've only seen 3 slots for bowlers (22,25,28) and most of them had 4 or 5 slots for batsmen (45, 42, 39, 36, 33). That is a bit unfiar for bowlers. Here my suggestion:

 

[age_master]

i did a spreadsheet ages ago, rookies having a max ave of 40 with the bat, 28 with the ball

 

[chaminda_00]

i did a spreadsheet ages ago, rookies having a max ave of 40 with the bat, 28 with the ball

I saw it and that was really unfair on rookie bowlers, if ur going to allow batsmen to have averages of 40 then u should allow bowlers to have averages of 24/25 if not lower. It seems that both yours and Loony Bob suggestion have given batsmen too much advantage over bowlers, it got to be more even. BTW is 45 the highest rating for fielders.

 

[age_master]

look at the stats for season 8 and tell me who had the advantage

also in ITC a batsman averaging 40 is comparible to a bowler averaging 30

 

[chaminda_00]

look at the stats for season 8 and tell me who had the advantage

also in ITC a batsman averaging 40 is comparible to a bowler averaging 30

Well looking i've only seen the OD Stats and from that batsmen have a greater advantage over bowlers. I think Hoy was the only one that had decent average 23 or something, the rest struggle to average under 30.

I didn't know ITC compared bowlers and batter that way. But if u consider both sims used then the bowling averages have to be lower then what u and Loony Bob suggested.

EDIT: looking at both FC and OD stats for season 8 it is pretty obovius that bowlers dominate in FC and batsmen dominant in OD, maybe it is time to have two spearate stats for List A and FC.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

I saw it and that was really unfair on rookie bowlers, if ur going to allow batsmen to have averages of 40 then u should allow bowlers to have averages of 24/25 if not lower. It seems that both yours and Loony Bob suggestion have given batsmen too much advantage over bowlers, it got to be more even. BTW is 45 the highest rating for fielders.

24 or 25? Think about international cricket - 25 is an excellent average for a pace bowler and world class for a spinner. 40 is par for a batsman. How many bowlers could you name in the world today with a sub-25 average in tests? I can think of four - McGrath, Murali, Shoaib and Pollock. Not even Gillespie and Warne qualify. 40 is par for a batsman, 30 for a bowler... 28 or 29 seems reasonable though.

 

[marc71178]

also in ITC a batsman averaging 40 is comparible to a bowler averaging 30

In theory it is, but over that season the results didn't quite go like that!

 

[marc71178]

My other issue is having these blocks of 3 for batting and bowling - don't quite understand why people are suggesting these when they're both makred with intervals of 1.

 

[age_master]

i think its simply so that you can compare at certain points more easily without having intervals of 1

 

[chaminda_00]

24 or 25? Think about international cricket - 25 is an excellent average for a pace bowler and world class for a spinner. 40 is par for a batsman. How many bowlers could you name in the world today with a sub-25 average in tests? I can think of four - McGrath, Murali, Shoaib and Pollock. Not even Gillespie and Warne qualify. 40 is par for a batsman, 30 for a bowler... 28 or 29 seems reasonable though.

I know what ur saying and ur right when it comes to international cricket but the games are played under FC and List A not ODIs and Test. There are many bowlers that average under 25 in FC and 45 is about par for batsmen.

In considering this and difference between the sims for FC and List A i think it better if new players get stats for both FC and List A. Older players stats can be adjusted, u need different averages for both. With this in consideration and what other people have commented on this is the revised ratings. Im sorry about puting down so many ratings but it had to explain what im saying without them. The main difference between this and Loony's last suggestion is that the batting ave is slightly higher in FC (only 3 per rating, but it makes a major difference to players overall ratings/averages), bowling averages are overall lower in both and batting averages are lower in OD but their more realistic to normal List A batting averages. Also keepers can have max fieliding of 14 which gives then 45 ratings. I think keeper should be able give themselves the highest rating possible if there happy with a batting average of 21.

 

[thewizard1o1]

Well looking i've only seen the OD Stats and from that batsmen have a greater advantage over bowlers. I think Hoy was the only one that had decent average 23 or something, the rest struggle to average under 30.

I didn't know ITC compared bowlers and batter that way. But if u consider both sims used then the bowling averages have to be lower then what u and Loony Bob suggested.

EDIT: looking at both FC and OD stats for season 8 it is pretty obovius that bowlers dominate in FC and batsmen dominant in OD, maybe it is time to have two spearate stats for List A and FC.

The pitches have had alot of bearing on the last part of your post imo.

 

[Loony BoB]

So... did we ever get this approved or anything? Any of it at all? Because it should be, dammit.

 

[Loony BoB]

*tumbleweed*