Do SC Pacers Deserve More Credit For Home Performances?

[Daemon]

But conditions don't come as tough if you're born and bred to them. Isn't that the point?

Still overall tougher though.

 

[Burgey]

Still overall tougher though.

Yeah, and I don't think anyone is saying otherwise tbf. It's more subtle than that, which is why a number of folks with rocks in their heads are having trouble coming to terms with it.

 

[subshakerz]

No. His style of bowling was more suited to SC rather than Eng or NZ. That’s why context is important. Just because someone succeeds in conditions perceived as tough and fail in the easier doesn’t mean they are better than opposite.

We should demerit them for their away fails and merit them for home success. At present it seems we only do that former.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

He wasn’t a coward like Border whose average is inflated by not outs .

Very good point. Imagine what Gavaskar would average if he hid down the order like Border.

 

[Burgey]

He wasn’t a coward like Border whose average is inflated by the bowlers not being able to get him out.

Quite

 

[Burgey]

Smith averages 49 after my average adjustments

And your IQ drops to 13 after mine

 

[subshakerz]

Yeah, and I don't think anyone is saying otherwise tbf. It's more subtle than that, which is why a number of folks with rocks in their heads are having trouble coming to terms with it.

We do get it which is why we don't say those bowlers in SC are automatically better. But the gist we are getting from your side is that it all equalises out in the end and we don't agree with that.

 

[Burgey]

Very good point. Imagine what Gavaskar would average if he hid down the order like Border.

Probably 25 in Australia

 

[TheJediBrah]

It's not a question mark, it's a product of what worked for him as he developed as a cricketer. If he'd had the misfortune to be born in Pakistan, he'd have come up on pitches which required him to swing it around. He's a world class sportsman, Do you think he'd have just plodded along doing what didn't work in his own conditions? Come on. It's ridiculous.

Bradman didn't hit a lot of 6s, it is a real question mark . . . yeah it's very poor logic

 

[Burgey]

We do get it which is why we don't say those bowlers in SC are automatically better. But the gist we are getting from your side is that it all equalises out in the end and we don't agree with that.

Well that's because you lack basic comprehension skills. That's not my fault.

 

[Daemon]

I ran a 10 second 100m the other day on this



but I grew up there so it’s basically the same thing as running on a track

 

[Burgey]

I'm surprised you'd run that slow with your arse on fire tbh

 

[OverratedSanity]

Probably 25 in Australia

If he played for Australia, he wouldn't have had to face Dennis "couldve got gavaskar out with a tomato" Lillee and thus would have averaged 75+

 

[Burgey]

Well that's because you lack basic comprehension skills. That's not my fault.

I ran a 10 second 100m the other day on this

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but I grew up there so it’s basically the same thing as running on a track

.

 

[trundler]

And I think people rate him as 27-28 bowler . Name me few 27-28 avg bowlers who are rated higher than Kapil ?

Shami, Broad, Wagner.

 

[Slifer]

Is Kallis a significantly better batsman than Lara then according to you since surface level average is all that matters.

??? Where did I say that? And Lara and Kallis aren't particularly from the same era. They overlapped but Lara had to deal with much better bowling earlier in his career and Lara also very rarely faced any attacks as dire as Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and WI post 2000.

Dev overlapped significantly with someone like Hadlee so a direct comparison is more apt. But I won't say more about Dev unless asked, because as stated before, I hardly followed his career.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

I ran a 10 second 100m the other day on this

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but I grew up there so it’s basically the same thing as running on a track

Agreed, but if you run on this and are unable to run on a simple track, doesn’t mean you should be given some extra points

 

[OverratedSanity]

I ran a 10 second 100m the other day on this

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but I grew up there so it’s basically the same thing as running on a track

Pssshhh big deal you just adapted to the lava bro

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Probably 25 in Australia

He’d just adapt since that’s what great players do!

 

[Burgey]

If he played for Australia, he wouldn't have had to face Dennis "couldve got gavaskar out with a tomato" Lillee and thus would have averaged 75+

This is a good point actually.