Coaching Talents of Greg Chappell

[adharcric]

Dont make stupid posts, first you attack me for mentioniong Cricinfo by asking 'if it control my mind' and now I made my position clear you ask me to post cricinfo articles which praise chappell and dont praise players/captains for the team win.

Why dont you go and take a look at no. of Greg interviews that have been published on Cricinfo since the English tour and no. of Chappell interviews oublished during Eng/SL tour.

Here I am trying to talk to you with respect and genuinely asking you where Cricinfo has credited Indian victories primarily to Chappell. Yet you insist on calling my posts stupid. It's hilarious how you think everyone is attacking you simply because they start to question you. As for the 'does cricinfo control your mind?', it was a well-intentioned question with a touch of your preferred sarcastic tone. Why does it seem like you're the only one here who focuses more on defaming other posters and less on discussing cricket?

 

[Turbinator]

You both are funny

 

[adharcric]

Thanks.

 

[Turbinator]

Thanks.

You're more than welcome

 

[marc71178]

Its not rare to find teammates in the national team who'd not be able to communicate with each other.

Erm, we have that over here in the English football team - the likes of Rooney still only grunt.

 

[C_C]

Erm, we have that over here in the English football team - the likes of Rooney still only grunt.

 

[Pratters]

With so mant achievment within a short span of one year, I propose Chappell as the Coach of the Year, Coach of the Decade and Coach of the Century award.

Not coach of the millenium?

 

[Pratters]

Players are not speaking up because they are afraid to speak up after the Ganguly Fiasco.

Also, they can't as any thing opposed to what the BCCI does is taken as indiscipline and players face the music as Sehwag found out.

 

[Pratters]

The basic issue for me is regarding his credentials as a coach. Some one from Australia raised this point regarding Chappell when he was appointed I think that he kept changing players in the domestic team he was in charge of and didn't achieve much if I am not wrong.

 

[Sanz]

I will please ask you to quote where I said that. I said I would be fine with an appointment as long as he's not from India, because he would not be part of the internal politics. That doesn't mean they will end up being a good coach, but as long as its an outsider, I'm willing to give them a shot.

http://forum.cricketweb.net/showpost.php?p=912352&postcount=4
http://forum.cricketweb.net/showpost.php?p=912399&postcount=6

 

[Sanz]

Here I am trying to talk to you with respect and genuinely asking you where Cricinfo has credited Indian victories primarily to Chappell. Yet you insist on calling my posts stupid. It's hilarious how you think everyone is attacking you simply because they start to question you. As for the 'does cricinfo control your mind?', it was a well-intentioned question with a touch of your preferred sarcastic tone. Why does it seem like you're the only one here who focuses more on defaming other posters and less on discussing cricket?

Why do you need proof for that ? Did you not read 100s of GC interviews in the media when India were winning those ODIs against SL & Eng ? How many interviews does the media publish now a days ?

Incase you failed to notice, my sarcastic post was not aimed at any poster here whereas your sarcasm was. You immidiately called Indian fans in India as idiots for basically the same thing you do on this forum yet justified your stance on munaf, Santh, Raina etc who are nothing but mediocre and would struggle to find a place in any international team except Zimbabwe and/or Bangladesh.

 

[Sanz]

Not coach of the millenium?

If Cricket was played for the majority of the last millienum, then why not.

 

[silentstriker]

http://forum.cricketweb.net/showpost.php?p=912352&postcount=4
http://forum.cricketweb.net/showpost.php?p=912399&postcount=6

In quote #1, I said any coach would be fine as a selection. I didn't say that they would automatically be great coaches. Just that I would be 'fine' with their selection, and giving them a shot. I don't want to give a shot to an indian coach, as he will undoubtedly be 'in' the politics game.

In quote #2, I said Chappell is a great coach. Not because he's non-Indian, but because he's a great coach.

 

[adharcric]

Why do you need proof for that ? Did you not read 100s of GC interviews in the media when India were winning those ODIs against SL & Eng ? How many interviews does the media publish now a days ?

Thank you for clarifying. I didn't know what you were referring to when you said Cricinfo gives Chappell all the credit, hence the request for evidence. Anyways, I would rather analyze Chappell without any bias than attack him simply because other people defend him too much. This isn't about you/me vs the media, this is about the Indian cricket team. By making the media's actions/comments the only motivation behind a negative analysis of Chappell, we stoop to their level of stupidity.

Incase you failed to notice, my sarcastic post was not aimed at any poster here whereas your sarcasm was. You immidiately called Indian fans in India as idiots for basically the same thing you do on this forum yet justified your stance on munaf, Santh, Raina etc who are nothing but mediocre and would struggle to find a place in any international team except Zimbabwe and/or Bangladesh.

There's a difference - fans I'm referring to worship and blindlessly follow the media. (If you don't think there any such fans in India, ignorance is bliss?) I watch every match India plays and follow domestic cricket and read reports and then arrive at a conclusion about players. If you don't want to believe it, there isn't much I can do about that. Furthermore, I haven't proclaimed any of these young cricketers world-class or even great yet. I've simply said that they're promising - why people have an allergy to optimistic predictions I don't quite comprehend. As for Munaf, Sreesanth and Raina being mediocre players who will always struggle to find a place in any test-standard teams, we'll see and we can agree to disagree for now.

 

[Dasa]

Why do you need proof for that ? Did you not read 100s of GC interviews in the media when India were winning those ODIs against SL & Eng ? How many interviews does the media publish now a days ?

If you're going to make claims, then be prepared to provide some evidence. Where are the "100s of GC interviews in the media"?

Incase you failed to notice, my sarcastic post was not aimed at any poster here whereas your sarcasm was. You immidiately called Indian fans in India as idiots for basically the same thing you do on this forum yet justified your stance on munaf, Santh, Raina etc who are nothing but mediocre and would struggle to find a place in any international team except Zimbabwe and/or Bangladesh.

1. adharcric called "a large number" of Indian fans idiots, not all - and that's entirely true. A large number of most cricket fans are idiots, of if you don't want to use that word, a large number of cricket fans are ill-informed and ignorant.
2. how has adharcric done the same thing as a majority of fans do? I've never seen him go over the top in praising a player, and he's never said any of the players you think are mediocre are 'greats' or anything like that. He's recognising the same thing many others are, that they have potential.
3. Finally, I can't quite see the rationale for describing those players as mediocre considering they've all done a decent (not brilliant) job in their international cricket careers so far.

Sanz, it's almost as if you want India, and Indian cricketers, to fail just so you can be right. I just don't understand that mentality.

 

[vic_orthdox]

1. adharcric called "a large number" of Indian fans idiots, not all - and that's entirely true. A large number of most cricket fans are idiots, of if you don't want to use that word, a large number of cricket fans are ill-informed and ignorant.
2. how has adharcric done the same thing as a majority of fans do? I've never seen him go over the top in praising a player, and he's never said any of the players you think are mediocre are 'greats' or anything like that. He's recognising the same thing many others are, that they have potential.
2. Finally, I can't quite see the rationale for describing those players as mediocre considering they've all done a decent (not brilliant) job in their international cricket careers so far.

And I say Dasa is an idiot for not being able to comprehend the numerical system of the English language...

 

[Dasa]

And I say Dasa is an idiot for not being able to comprehend the numerical system of the English language...

Oops.

 

[Sanz]

If you're going to make claims, then be prepared to provide some evidence. Where are the "100s of GC interviews in the media"?.

I did a search on only Cricinfo during the India-SL Series for few minutes and here are some, If I dig more newspapers for India-Eng and India-SA series I am pretty sure to find many more.

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/indvsl/content/story/229919.html
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/indvsl/content/story/229061.html
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/indvsl/content/story/227961.html
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/indvsl/content/story/225750.html
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/indvsl/content/story/225436.html
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/indvsl/content/story/225612.html
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/indvsl/content/story/229919.html
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/indvsl/content/story/224361.html
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/indvsl/content/story/223904.html

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/indvsl/content/story/228833.html
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/indvsl/content/story/223601.html
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/indvsl/content/story/222792.html
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/indvsl/content/story/222782.html

 

[Sanz]

1. adharcric called "a large number" of Indian fans idiots, not all - and that's entirely true. A large number of most cricket fans are idiots, of if you don't want to use that word, a large number of cricket fans are ill-informed and ignorant.

Please get off that high horse you are riding. How many fans have you interacted with to make that kind of stupid claim ? In general I find most Cricket fans pretty well informed on cricketing matters and I would hardly call them ignorant.

how has adharcric done the same thing as a majority of fans do? I've never seen him go over the top in praising a player, and he's never said any of the players you think are mediocre are 'greats' or anything like that. He's recognising the same thing many others are, that they have potential.

Are you sure you are talking about adharcric, who was going gaga about Raina's batting untill very recently and not to forget his over-estimation of Indian pace attack. I am not saying that he shouldn't have those opinions but he is doing the same thing as those large no of fans he calls as 'idiots'.

3. Finally, I can't quite see the rationale for describing those players as mediocre considering they've all done a decent (not brilliant) job in their international cricket careers so far.

We clearly differ in our assessment, IMO they have had a ordinary career so far.

Sanz, it's almost as if you want India, and Indian cricketers, to fail just so you can be right. I just don't understand that mentality.

I want India to play well(dont care about win/loss) on consistent basis, If I find someone overrated then I am going to express my opinion, whether anyone likes or not.

 

[Fratboy]

First of all only person that is sidetracking this thread is YOU and secondly I am not blaming chappell for India's loss, I am blaming him for poor performance of folks like Irfan Pathan, MS Dhoni etc.

Lastly, it is a fact that Chappell gets more praise than the players when India wins., all you need to do is look @ CricInfo and read.

Excuse me, me sidetracking ? My, my you get defensive far too easily. All I did was ask you to prove that Chappell is solely responsible for all that you hold him responsible for. You couldn't, and began to sidetrack blaming the media. Its a simple concept mate: You think Chappell makes all decisions, and therefore you have to substantiate that he is the one responsible for what you blame him for.

Can you prove Dravid had nothing to with himself opening ?
Can you prove that Zaheer Khan is plying his trade for Worcestershire only because of Chappell ?
Can you prove that Pathan has been signifcantly worse a bowler than before Chappell stepped in ?