*Breaking News* CWBCC Suspends Two Players

[Hoggy31]

Thought I should actually comment on this...

I seriously don't know what I did that merit a half season ban let alone a ban at all. I said what everyone was thinking about the Hoy decision and I feel I have been made a scapegoat for his departure as a result of that. But, I guess if the board decides that a ban is the right path to take for my actions what ever they have been, then I'm willing to accept a suspension for my actions, but definately not one this severe.

I would formally like to appeal the length of the ban.

 

[age_master]

I'd like to look at how we would describe the whole CW system. I believe this is a simulation league, where a group of people on an online forum can partake in both international and domestic cricket using a cricket simulator and various discussion threads where we can live our "play" lives as highly talented cricketers (Does not include Jack McNamara, whose "play" life is merely training for his "real" life).

In order to run our "play" life, we copy the way other domestic leagues are run throughout the world. We have team clubhouses, captains, vice-captains, selection issues, media, player strike, etc. We also follow the concept of punishments, like in real life where punishments are handed out for match fixing, ball tampering, and bringing the game into disrepute.

In our league, we seem to have banned two players for "abusing" other players. Lets think about that for a moment, abusing other players. Now I understand that this is against our code of cunduct. But with due regard to attempt to keep things "realistic" as we so often strive to do, isn't this abit much? Where do players in real life get season bans for having a go at one another. I believe abuse between players is so common in actual professional leagues, yet we aren't seeing any season lengths bannings for them. I feel that this is over the top, particularly as I don't believe we should be innovating the cricket world by giving out season bans for merely player abuse.

My two yen.

Real world equivilent = Mark Vermeulen

He has had a number of disciplinary problems. Two incidents in particular stick out. He was sent home from Zimbabwe's tour of England in 2003 after ignoring management instructions to travel with the rest of the squad. Then in 2006 he was banned from all cricket played under the auspices of the England and Wales Cricket Board after a violent altercation with spectators at a match between Ashton and his club, Werneth in the Central Lancashire League. The original ban imposed was ten years, but on appeal it was reduced to three years, two of which were suspended. The ban takes effect from 1 April 2007.

 

[Kweek]

we must not forget this is a forum to kenny
on which we follow rules and try to have a good time with each other, people have ruined it for a group of people, so there is a ban.

 

[superkingdave]

Real world equivilent = Mark Vermeulen

yep, remember Borcich and Blackman threatening people with a boundary marker

 

[PY]

Apt colours too, if you ignore Colts which I try to do as much as possible.

 

[Robertinho]

Real world equivilent = Mark Vermeulen

Hmm.. nah, don't think so. In fact, it'd probably be a stretch to suggest real world equivalent = Glenn McGrath ("If you ever ****ing say anything about my wife, I will rip your ****ing throat out")

 

[age_master]

OK it may have been a slight exaggeration, Vermeulen was a once off (well twice) offence and these guys were slagging people off most of last season though.

 

[Robertinho]

But they're doing completely different things...

 

[age_master]

It was an example of a long term suspension

 

[Robertinho]

It was an example of a long term suspension

But the reason they were suspended is not the same, so you can't call it the "real life equivalent".

 

[Buddhmaster]

I'd like to look at how we would describe the whole CW system. I believe this is a simulation league, where a group of people on an online forum can partake in both international and domestic cricket using a cricket simulator and various discussion threads where we can live our "play" lives as highly talented cricketers (Does not include Jack McNamara, whose "play" life is merely training for his "real" life).

In order to run our "play" life, we copy the way other domestic leagues are run throughout the world. We have team clubhouses, captains, vice-captains, selection issues, media, player strike, etc. We also follow the concept of punishments, like in real life where punishments are handed out for match fixing, ball tampering, and bringing the game into disrepute.

In our league, we seem to have banned two players for "abusing" other players. Lets think about that for a moment, abusing other players. Now I understand that this is against our code of cunduct. But with due regard to attempt to keep things "realistic" as we so often strive to do, isn't this abit much? Where do players in real life get season bans for having a go at one another. I believe abuse between players is so common in actual professional leagues, yet we aren't seeing any season lengths bannings for them. I feel that this is over the top, particularly as I don't believe we should be innovating the cricket world by giving out season bans for merely player abuse.

My two yen.

Yeh good post. As I told Towns, this is how I take the Dev League. I try to make it as realistic as possible, to get the maximum amount of fun out of it. I saw Butler come online soon after he left Black, and I thought i'd have a go at him, as I would IRL. Nothing extremely harsh was said, and I didn't get the feeling he was hurt at all. But I know I do say some pretty abusive stuff around here, and I can assure the CWBCC this will stop immediatly.

I am also sorry that Nath left. I just thought MSN was a seperate entity, and nothing said there could cost me on the forums. So I disagreed with my 2 game suspension, and so did a few of my teammates. I'm sorry Nath didn't appreciate this, and I'm sorry he's gone, but I don't feel it was really my fault. I also talk to Nath on MSN quite a bit, and he can assure you I haven't abused him.

On the length of my suspension, I don't feel it is fair. I'll take a lengthy suspension, as obviously i've ruffled a fair few feathers, especially the important ones. But even half a season is crazy (I don't see Borcich keeping that ban). So if my ban could be shortened, it'd be greatly appreciated.

 

[age_master]

so your sorry that your actions have led to Nath leaving but your not sorry for the actions themselves?

 

[Robertinho]

so your sorry that your actions have led to Nath leaving but your not sorry for the actions themselves?

He never stated anything to that effect, so I'm guessing no...

 

[cbuts]

I never claimed to be hurt from the incident, and i dont really see why it has become such a big incident. IMO then ban should be for the overall general behavior, if it is infact for that one incident, i do beleive it is over the top

 

[Buddhmaster]

I never claimed to be hurt from the incident, and i dont really see why it has become such a big incident. IMO then ban should be for the overall general behavior, if it is infact for that one incident, i do beleive it is over the top

TBH, I really don't think it is about the event involving you. I took it as being about the general abuse, which is why I'm more than happy to sit out part (hopefully) of next season.

 

[Nate]

Man has a point.

 

[Loony BoB]

With regards to Kenny's post - I agree for the most part, however you have to keep in mind that remarks made on MSN are fine and dandy until they become publically known.

This is how I see the different areas...
Spoken on forums in what could be seen as a media statement = Spoken on a microphone in front of an audience or something. Either way, everyone hears you say it and they know it was you making the statement, so yeah.
Spoken on MSN = On the pitch, equivalent of sledging etc. Can possibly be overheard by umpires or stumpcam.
Spoken on MSN and then referenced in the forums = Clearly this got the umpire/stumpcam going.

Either way, once it gets to the forums, you're talking in the public eye. If someone says something about what you said on MSN, they're letting the world know the things you said.

I get the feeling that, like in the cricketing world, most sledges made on MSN don't get mentioned on the forums. I know that I've been sledged loads of times but haven't made mention of a single one here because I don't feel the need to highlight it. However, if you sledge the wrong person then you're screwing yourself over - when they post it into the forums or let people know what happened, that's the equivalent of the umpire overhearing or it being picked up on stumpcam. There are, of course, going to be reprecussinos if it's considered crude enough or if you do it often enough.

That's my take on things, anyway. If someone is going to say something in the forums, every person in the forums can see it. That means it's the equivalent of every player in the domestic league reading something you wrote, or hearing you on the radio saying it. Not good if you say something too bad, especially if it's a repeat thing.

Just another perspective for ya, anyway.

 

[Nate]

Good to know this now. But if those are the rules in place, surely they need to be known before a ban is passed? Tell us the rules before we suffer the consequences.

 

[Jamee999]

Hmm.. nah, don't think so. In fact, it'd probably be a stretch to suggest real world equivalent = Glenn McGrath ("If you ever ****ing say anything about my wife, I will rip your ****ing throat out")

Not really. McGrath was provoked into saying that.

 

[Robertinho]

There are, of course, going to be reprecussinos if it's considered crude enough or if you do it often enough.

Hahaha, a win for the Dev League's increasingly Hispanic following.

Not really. McGrath was provoked into saying that.

Missing the larger point? Then how about "What does Lara's **** taste like mate?"